Obama's offensive comment

Jan 2012
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You understand that I am not personally making a pro-ban argument right? I was merely calling out your anti-intellectualism on the matter when you previously framed it in such simple terms. Good to see you come around. Maybe we can have a real discussion now.

The bold words are an example why you have never won a debate with me, you can't leave out the hyperbole.

Funny how you call flaws in your argument anti-intellectual.

Your debate skills are terrible:p
 

myp

Jan 2009
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The bold words are an example why you have never won a debate with me, you can't leave out the hyperbole.

That was not hyperbole. You several times said that all gun bans don't work and they are bad. The UK clearly shows otherwise. You even admitted it and then reframed your argument to the US. So yes, you were being anti-intellectual when you knew the UK success and still ignored it when you made bold claims such as 'bans don't work'.
 
Jan 2012
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That was not hyperbole. You several times said that all gun bans don't work and they are bad. The UK clearly shows otherwise. You even admitted it and then reframed your argument to the US. So yes, you were being anti-intellectual when you knew the UK success and still ignored it when you made bold claims such as 'bans don't work'.

You were being anti intellectual when you knew that Switzerland doesn't have gun crimes despite having few gun bans.

This is another t reason you are never going to win a debate with me, you don't even understand the opposition. I never said "gun bans are bad" I said they only restrict or rights. I am for more rights, not less.

You don't even know you disagree, perhaps due to some temporary illiteracy based on personal issues. You didn't even read my post you just threw out a knee jerk anti intellectual argument to a point I never made.

Your debate skills are still terrible:p
 

myp

Jan 2009
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You were being anti intellectual when you knew that Switzerland doesn't have gun crimes despite having few gun bans.

I never claimed that bans were always good or necessary to public safety. Straw man. Again.
 
Jan 2012
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I never claimed that bans were always good or necessary to public safety. Straw man. Again.

Your straw men against mine.

I never claimed that they are always bad either.

Get off of your high horse and quit pulling this false martyr crap, and debate that is if you can.

I really think all of your distraction, is only delay my discovery of your true depth of knowledge

You're attempt to force my argument into your wheelhouse, actually missing the point completely, your continued selective illiteracy, your ad hominem responses. These are signs that you have lost the debate.

If you wanted to debate you would, you apparently don't.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I never claimed that they are always bad either..

You time and time again have said how the guns don't matter, how it is the people who cause the crimes; about how banning guns won't reduce gun crimes; about how all the criminals will run wild with their guns when they are banned; and on and on. I don't have the energy for your nonsense anymore.
 
Jan 2012
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You time and time again have said how the guns don't matter, how it is the people who cause the crimes; about how banning guns won't reduce gun crimes; about how all the criminals will run wild with their guns when they are banned; and on and on. I don't have the energy for your nonsense anymore.

You don't have the energy because you have no point. Give up, you lost. chalk up another loss.

Comeback if you can make a point.
 

myp

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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” -Socrates

“Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty.” -Mark Twain
 
Jan 2012
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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” -Socrates

“Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty.” -Mark Twain

Yep, any chance you will allow these statements to sink into your skull. I doubt it based on your past.

So disappointing. tsk tsk tsk.

oh well I guess there are others to speak to.
 
Dec 2012
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Sorry, but the world doesn't work in a way in which you get to decide what weapons the government has :p

But I assume you still want them to have some sophisticated bomb tech for wars, etc. right? If so, it is quite scary to me that you want civilians to be able to have that too. Newtown will be nothing if that happens- to me that is quite scary.


I know the founders intent with the 2nd amendment, but during their time there were no where near the sophistication and deadliness of the weapons we have today. It is a different ballgame. Without military/police personnel on the civilian side, I don't think a large scale revolt could work even if you had all the weapons they had (minus nukes). And if you have the military/police on the civilian side, you get the weapons with it :p

But again, I don't like that scenario. Again, times have changed a lot. The founders lived in the time where democracy was an infant and a much smaller portion of the world's people believed in its success. They were under greater threat of revolts, etc. We are at a stage where things are much more stable. We are also at a point in history where the usefulness of even pacifist movements has led to tremendous political change- even without escalation into war. I think there are better methods that starting a civil war even if we all decide to overthrow the government.

What a complete crock of "doo-doo." With every post it is clear to me that you have the conceit of a pretense of knowledge without the presence of wisdom.

Infantry weapons are infantry weapons. The armed citizenry is the antidote to oppressive standing armies. This is the reason for an armed citizenry. This is the reason for the Second Amendment.

You can think all you want. I encourage it. There are around 300 million weapons out here. And they are selling as fast as they can be stocked. Things are stable alright. We have a stable of Democrats who want to disarm us. What better excuse can there be than twenty murdered children?

Evil people with guns can only be stopped by better people with guns.
 
Oct 2012
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I have grown to dislike the interaction between MYP and Clax....you two need to either ignore each other, or start a fight in the hallway between classes.
 
Jan 2013
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I think if you insert...mentally ill who kill people,.... you would then have the full meaning of what President Obama was saying. There can be an inference that it not necessarily projecting the full assertion of a person's words.
 
Dec 2012
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What are we going to do when we do ban "assault weapons" and these events keep occurring. Who or what do we blame then?
 

myp

Jan 2009
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What are we going to do when we do ban "assault weapons" and these events keep occurring. Who or what do we blame then?

It is about reducing the statistical likelihood and in turn the actual amount of times this happens.
 
Oct 2012
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What are we going to do when we do ban "assault weapons" and these events keep occurring. Who or what do we blame then?

"IF" these events keep happening, we will continue to address the other causes. Much the way we deal with any other Dis-Ease.
 
Dec 2012
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It is about reducing the statistical likelihood and in turn the actual amount of times this happens.

Oh I don't think it's about reducing the statistical likelihood, I don't believe we can even finger why likelihood stats are rising to begin with.
 
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