That is where we can agree. They want to kill each other so be it eventually someone has to win.
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That is where we can agree. They want to kill each other so be it eventually someone has to win.
A true but moot point. Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are the entities who can disrupt our societies, and our lives. They are the important focus, regarding Islam, not the overall Ummah.
You are beyond help. I will not debate you on this any more after this post. I just gave you conclusive PROOF that the military occupation doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. I gave you the Muslim Brotherhood's war manifesto against America + Osama bin Laden's own words from an al Qaeda manual and still you come back with the idiotic "invasion" blab.
Oh yeah sure, if we left them alone, they'd leave us alone. Yeah right! Do you have any idea how PREPOSTEROUS that is ? THEY have been NOT LEAVING ALONE the people of the world for 1400 years. THEY have killed a mind-boggling 270 million people around the world over that time (120 million Africans, 80 million Hindus, 60 million Christians, and 10 million Buddhists), and they're still doing it.
And don't try to hide behind an example of the Vietnamese. They were not supremacists, seditionists, and imperialist conquerers as Muslims have always been (and still are). There is no connection there.
How I see you is someone who is deep in denial of the reality of jihad, for whatever reasons you may have motivating that, and like many Islampaologists, you attack those who simply report the truth, as "haters".
What Proof your word you gave me little information if any to go one. Nothing I can look up where are your sources. Please you gave me a book to read which again is one sided as you are. I bought the book by the way and will read it though remember there are always two sides to an issue. You are one sided you don't want to debate me on this ignore me.
That blab you are talking about us being an Invasion force is well documented that Bin Laden has told the American Government he would cease if we pulled out of the ME.
I am not hiding behind any examples our occupation of Vietnam is what spurred those people to fight. Our occupation of the ME is what spurs those people to fight. Your problem is you don't want to see it any other way then your way.
Do I agree with the Extremist and how they conduct there battle NO. Though we created the problem and we are now paying for what we created.
I will give you several books to look at if you so choose too.
Blowback by Chalmers Johnson
The Sorrows of Empire by Chalmers Johnson
Nemesis:The Last Day of the American Republic By Chalmers Johnson
The Black Banners by Ali H. Soufan
This is why I don't like talking to you. Are you blind ? Where are my sources, you ask ? They are right there in the original post (#113) where I posted the information. Try looking again (if you ever looked at all).
And no bin Laden did NOT say he would cease. He said exactly the opposite of that , and I just gave you 2 quotes from him attesting to that with source. ANd the Muslim Brotherhoods's Explanatory Memorandum has it's source supplied in Post # 113 as well. And the best kind you could get - an exhibit from a court trial of the US Justice Dept. Get with it, man.
You are saying some of the most idiotic stuff I've ever heard. You think 1400 years of Muslims attacking people all over the world (to wherever they could get to) is because the US went to the ME during the last 20 years ?
Do you think a US invasion caused all THIS >> Get real, dude!
Basra attacked/conquered - 634 AD
Damascus attacked/conquered - 635 AD
Ctesiphon attacked/conquered - 636 AD
Alexandria attacked/conquered - 641 AD
Sicily attacked/conquered - 666 AD
Kabul attacked/conquered - 670 AD
Jerusalem attacked/conquered - 687 AD
Carthage attacked/conquered - 698 AD
Southern Spain attacked/conquered - 711 AD
Narbonne (Southern France) attacked/conquered - 720 AD
Battle of Poitiers (France) - Muslim advance halted - 732 AD
Armenia attacked/conquered - 1064 AD
Battle of Manzikert - 1071 AD
Nicaea attacked/conquered - 1331 AD
Kosovo attacked/conquered - 1389 AD
Bulgaria attacked/conquered - 1393 AD
Constantinople attacked - 1453 AD
Greece attacked/conquered - 1460 AD
Belgrade attacked/conquered - 1521 AD
Siege of Vienna (attacked) - Muslim advance halted - 1683 AD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
http://www.meforum.org/3182/history-muslim-conquests
PS - Chalmers Johnson is an ant-imperialist whose time has come and gone. Gone because America is no longer an imperialist nation, and in fact, we are the victims of imperialism, whereby many countries (Most notably Mexico) are pillaging us for tens of Billions$$ per year. Here's a more complete list of books for you.
1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel
2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer
3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer
4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry
5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams
6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy
7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser
8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry
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I don't care if you don't talk to me you can ignore me but really you want to debate me. You asked me to provide you sources and I was more then happy to oblige you so far from you I have got two links and a list of books.
If I am going to spout off something I read in a book I will at least let people know it was from a book I got the information from and will even provide the title and authors name.
Other then Wiki and another forum which is not a reference where is your research? Where are the articles to back up your claims? That is what a debate is about being able to go back and read information. Book thanks for the list though I will probably not read all of the I will however pick a few to read at some point though even then I can't source that information right at this point now can I? A forum is not a reference. Wiki is a reference to a degree though even then you must be careful.
I suggest if you don't like what I give you then you ignore me.
I didn't at all. You just showed you're not aware of America's standing with respect to imperialism. Here's a little quiz for you. How much has Mexico been receiving in remittances$$ from the USA ? (per year) Got ANY idea at all ?
Why do you keep asking for sources ? when they have 1. Been given to you and 2. Told that they were given to you in another post. Now go back to Post # 113 and find those sources. I'm not going to hold your hand.
The sources are there, and you're not going to gain anything by pretending they're not. (except to lose more credibility)
What does people giving their money (and it is their money regardless of their residency status) to their relatives in Mexico have to do with imperialism?
My problem is you gave me a source yes but a terrorist training manual. My problem is you fail to explain how all Muslim follow this doctrine. Other then books you have given me no credible sources. As for the books I will read a few as I said I would.
So you aren't aware that imperialism in the 21st century has changed from a bombs-bullets invasion, to a poor people invasion ? You don't know that the wealth that countries used to grab by military force, they now do by way of remittances$$$, and using the host country to pay their poverty bill ?
To answer my own question (since you didn't), Mexico has been plundering the USA for $25 Billion/year in remittances. Other countries have been in on it too. India, China, and the Phillipines have almost as high a level of wealth extraction as Mexico does. (money extracted out of the US economy, and re-inserted into their economies - AKA "imperialism). The USA is the biggest victim being attacked with 21st century imperialism, in the world.
As for the welfare heist, in 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.
http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
http://www.migrationinformation.org/feature/display.cfm?ID=138
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I gave you a source which is an official courtroom exhibit, in a trial involving the US Justice Dept. You couldn't have a more reliable source.
I didn't fail anything. I didn't try to explain how all Muslims follow this doctrine, because that is not a relevant notion. It has nothing to do with anything I'm saying.
I gave you 3 credible sources. YOU LIE.
You actually have the audacity to say that THIS is not a source ? >> Pheeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)
Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al
We all are, we are secret agents for the Muslim Freemasons. Everybody that disagrees with you are a member of the Muslim effort to get you.
Please stop cluttering up the forum with this garbage
Complaining that Mexicans are working lands that at 1 point (almost within living memory) constituted about 60% of all Mexican territory and then using that as proof that America is the victim of imperialism is just...
How can I read an exhibit? Is there a link where I can see the Exhibit? I can do what you did too see
Butthead Emerson "An Explanation on Why People just don't Get It." United States vs. Butthead Estates
Hey because I said it must be true. What part of links do you fail to grasp? Do you need and explanation on what a link is I will be happy to give it.
Your other source is not credible either a jihad speech from al jeezra. Which one? Who was the speaker? Out of all your sources 1 was credible because I could go into that and look at the information. I also apologized for missing that one. As far as apologizing for the other two you can keep waiting.
You were a college professor?
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A well played debate does indeed involve allowing an opponent to study the position, and if possible make it an easy thing to do. When one instead fails to do so, they run the risk of appearing to hold an indefensible position.
This is not to say they have such.....but appearances are an important part of the debate.
This is not to say they have such.....but appearances are an important part of the debate.
Stop pretending. YOU WERE TOLD which one, YOU WERE TOLD who the speaker was (Osama bin Laden). And again, sources don't have to be links (even though you may treasure this little rule you conjured up one morning):giggle:
Rarely have I ever seen anything as assinine in a political forum, as defining this as not a credible source >>
Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al
At this point, you might be about ready to hang up computer forum posting. I mean really.
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