Is Islam a Religion

[tecoyah]

I don't understand what you're "sorry" about. Clarify ?.....snip.....

The post was a semi sarcastic attempt to project the similarities between the slaughter of American Indians over a century, and the slaughter by Muslims over thousands of years you are so fascinated with.

I will try to simplify....

Yes, Muslims in the ME have been killing each other for a very long time...many, many of each other as well as a few Christians.

Christians however, managed to pretty much annihilate an entire culture as well as up to 500,000 people, our own little genocide.

 

[chris7375]

The post was a semi sarcastic attempt to project the similarities between the slaughter of American Indians over a century, and the slaughter by Muslims over thousands of years you are so fascinated with.

I will try to simplify....

Yes, Muslims in the ME have been killing each other for a very long time...many, many of each other as well as a few Christians.

Christians however, managed to pretty much annihilate an entire culture as well as up to 500,000 people, our own little genocide.

No set of people is innocent. This can be applied to a number of Cultures. Such as the Japanese, Chinese who are not Christian yet have a religious culture. Their histories point to much blood shed and internal strife between warring clans. I don't see this so much as a religious struggle more of a people struggle. We are the problem not religion. The problem religion brings to the table is created by people's misunderstanding of the true meaning of the religious text no matter what religion.

People who are trusted or suppose to be trusted leaders use religion to rally those who are poor to their side. Those of power who are not religious use religion to rally people to their sides. Ot os a never ending winless battle. It is people that are the problem not religion. At least that is how I see it.

 

[tecoyah]

No set of people is innocent. This can be applied to a number of Cultures. Such as the Japanese, Chinese who are not Christian yet have a religious culture. Their histories point to much blood shed and internal strife between warring clans. I don't see this so much as a religious struggle more of a people struggle. We are the problem not religion. The problem religion brings to the table is created by people's misunderstanding of the true meaning of the religious text no matter what religion.

People who are trusted or suppose to be trusted leaders use religion to rally those who are poor to their side. Those of power who are not religious use religion to rally people to their sides. Ot os a never ending winless battle. It is people that are the problem not religion. At least that is how I see it.

I mostly agree....though I do see less likelihood of death in the absence of religion.

 

[chris7375]

I mostly agree....though I do see less likelihood of death in the absence of religion.

I don't because religion play's little role in a person's hate.

 

[tecoyah]

I don't because religion play's little role in a person's hate.

It seems to me quite clear that religion does indeed instill animosity simply by existing, History is ripe with the resulting bloodshed. When one God tells us to reject another it pits itself against all others and allows the followers to state someone is wrong.

 

[chris7375]

I agree it does cause hatred though other things fuel that person hatred more then religion. A person just being different can fuel hatred or animosity and it need no religious undertones to it. Though even if it did not exist that hatred would still be there because people would focus on something else.

 

[tecoyah]

I agree it does cause hatred though other things fuel that person hatred more then religion. A person just being different can fuel hatred or animosity and it need no religious undertones to it. Though even if it did not exist that hatred would still be there because people would focus on something else.

True in my opinion...but just because the baby might choke on a toy, does not mean you leave a razor blade on the floor. Humans will inevitably find a reason to hate...I just don't agree we need to make up more reasons.

 

[chris7375]

True in my opinion...but just because the baby might choke on a toy, does not mean you leave a razor blade on the floor. Humans will inevitably find a reason to hate...I just don't agree we need to make up more reasons.

The problem is reasons will always be made up whether you like it or not. Kids who wear their pants below their underwear. A person with to many tattoo's in reality they are made up whether we want more added or not.

 

[tecoyah]

The problem is reasons will always be made up whether you like it or not. Kids who wear their pants below their underwear. A person with to many tattoo's in reality they are made up whether we want more added or not.

As stated....this is true. I personally do not like ANY of the reasons, I would point out however that one of the reasons effects millions (billions) of people, entire countries, and cultures on a large scale...far more than others.

 

[chris7375]

As stated....this is true. I personally do not like ANY of the reasons, I would point out however that one of the reasons effects millions (billions) of people, entire countries, and cultures on a large scale...far more than others.

I agree to a degree with you. Though I think it is the manipulation of people in power that use religion to cause hate. If you go to the average person they may more or less be indifferent though put a Pope, Imam whatever. They can manipulate the people to believe a religion is the devil incarnate.

 

[tdbatista]

I agree to a degree with you. Though I think it is the manipulation of people in power that use religion to cause hate. If you go to the average person they may more or less be indifferent though put a Pope, Imam whatever. They can manipulate the people to believe a religion is the devil incarnate.

Killed Christianity, Islam and other religions also killed killed. But it was not a text in itself but the culture that was aggregated religion and gradually changing the culture of society.

Remembering the past, Christianity was no less motivated by people who were against the Romans gained such strength that constantino declared the official religion of Rome, then all values ​​were added to Roman Christianity.


Even Protestantism has aggregated values ​​of capitalism (with prosperity theology) that basically would go against the teachings of Jesus.


The followers of Islamic Ayatollahs commit supports a guy who preaches hate being that the Koran punishes those who spill innocent blood.

 

[chris7375]

Killed Christianity, Islam and other religions also killed killed. But it was not a text in itself but the culture that was aggregated religion and gradually changing the culture of society.

Remembering the past, Christianity was no less motivated by people who were against the Romans gained such strength that constantino declared the official religion of Rome, then all values ​​were added to Roman Christianity.


Even Protestantism has aggregated values ​​of capitalism (with prosperity theology) that basically would go against the teachings of Jesus.


The followers of Islamic Ayatollahs commit supports a guy who preaches hate being that the Koran punishes those who spill innocent blood.

I believe I stated that also. No religion is innocent of killing. I am a Christian and the first to admit this. Islam Killed people, Christianity killed people. All religions have blood on their hand. Again I will say it. It is people in those given religions who get people to follow them and believe in their cause. Those powerful people Have included popes, Imans, Ayatollahs the manipulate people mostly poor less educated people but also educated people. Those people are impressionable for some reason. So I don't understand what you are saying. I never said Islam did not kill people. I said it was not the only religion to do so.

 

[Cerise]

I believe I stated that also. No religion is innocent of killing. I am a Christian and the first to admit this. Islam Killed people, Christianity killed people. All religions have blood on their hand. Again I will say it. It is people in those given religions who get people to follow them and believe in their cause. Those powerful people Have included popes, Imans, Ayatollahs the manipulate people mostly poor less educated people but also educated people. Those people are impressionable for some reason. So I don't understand what you are saying. I never said Islam did not kill people. I said it was not the only religion to do so.

They are impressionable simply because they are powerful. The Pope for example is a sort of ambassador for God isnt he? He relays rules that affect millions of people.
If all the religious leaders in the world sent out the message to live in tolerance and peace with everyone else then the world would change overnight. This however obviously does not happen, so terrorist actions are not condemned by the religion in whose name they are carried out.
Everyone supports their own team if you like and the opposition must be beaten and they must have the accolade of being at the top.

 

[chris7375]

They are impressionable simply because they are powerful. The Pope for example is a sort of ambassador for God isnt he? He relays rules that affect millions of people.
If all the religious leaders in the world sent out the message to live in tolerance and peace with everyone else then the world would change overnight. This however obviously does not happen, so terrorist actions are not condemned by the religion in whose name they are carried out.
Everyone supports their own team if you like and the opposition must be beaten and they must have the accolade of being at the top.

Those that are impressionable by religious power figures. I would have to say need to feel acceptance in some way. I myself only answer to God alone not a priest, nor a pope.
It is not that they are not condemned by those in the religion. They are but unfortunately by a very small minority. Not all Muslims believe in what the terrorists are doing either. Some condemn what they do again a small majority.

I look at it this way if we lived in a neighborhood where fear was rampant in that neighborhood. You may have one person speak out against what is causing the fear while the others cower in fear. The Middle East is the same way I believe. People live in fear they may not agree with what the terrorists do but they fear to stand up against them.

Maybe I am wrong but I don't think the terrorist are in the majority and from my readings it points to they are really the minority. Yet they hold the population in fear.

 

[tdbatista]

I believe I stated that also. No religion is innocent of killing. I am a Christian and the first to admit this. Islam Killed people, Christianity killed people. All religions have blood on their hand. Again I will say it. It is people in those given religions who get people to follow them and believe in their cause. Those powerful people Have included popes, Imans, Ayatollahs the manipulate people mostly poor less educated people but also educated people. Those people are impressionable for some reason. So I don't understand what you are saying. I never said Islam did not kill people. I said it was not the only religion to do so.

Everything I quoted boils down to this:

"The men dropped their laws segur God for the traditions of men." Jesus

 

[tdbatista]

Those that are impressionable by religious power figures. I would have to say need to feel acceptance in some way. I myself only answer to God alone not a priest, nor a pope.
It is not that they are not condemned by those in the religion. They are but unfortunately by a very small minority. Not all Muslims believe in what the terrorists are doing either. Some condemn what they do again a small majority.

I look at it this way if we lived in a neighborhood where fear was rampant in that neighborhood. You may have one person speak out against what is causing the fear while the others cower in fear. The Middle East is the same way I believe. People live in fear they may not agree with what the terrorists do but they fear to stand up against them.

Maybe I am wrong but I don't think the terrorist are in the majority and from my readings it points to they are really the minority. Yet they hold the population in fear.

I do not live in the Middle East, but I live in a country whose capital of the mentality of the people is very similar: Brazil.

Here's happening with this neo-Pentecostals, equal (not only reached the level of there cuz there is still friction), but is growing along with violence, fundamentalist Protestant groups, and as it happens there (as in the East, and they blame U.S. Israel's problems) here is the same, only they blame the pro-freedom of gays, drug release, secularism, saying that the country suffers from violence, poverty and corruption because of lack of faith, and increasingly increases it is the group of religious fanatics.

A leader of a large church (one of Brazil's richest according to Forbes magazine) did a debate with a journalist from a program emtrevistas super famous here, it seemed that was the end of the World Cup, everybody was watching and most people idolize , as was done with the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah.

What happened in the Middle East is slowly happening in the West (with more strength in Brazil and Africa).

 

[Mermaid]

They are impressionable simply because they are powerful. The Pope for example is a sort of ambassador for God isnt he? He relays rules that affect millions of people.
If all the religious leaders in the world sent out the message to live in tolerance and peace with everyone else then the world would change overnight. This however obviously does not happen, so terrorist actions are not condemned by the religion in whose name they are carried out.
Everyone supports their own team if you like and the opposition must be beaten and they must have the accolade of being at the top.

cerise ,l think you have some difficulty in understanding the concept of muslim and islamist

crusaders were not more innocent than islamists but you had said " what a shame they lost "

l am glad they lost ..........

 

[Cerise]

cerise ,l think you have some difficulty in understanding the concept of muslim and islamist

crusaders were not more innocent than islamists but you had said " what a shame they lost "

l am glad they lost ..........

With respect, I understand Muslim and Islamist and remain sorry the Crusades were lost.

 

[David]

l am glad they lost ..........

You would be.

 

[Mermaid]

With respect, I understand Muslim and Islamist and remain sorry the Crusades were lost.

so you would be happy if l was kicked out of my homeland !

you seem more like a neo con .

sorry but you dont seem to be an atheist to me

at least we didnt accuse any woman of being a witch and burn them.........

and we always protected jews and many other christians and arabians against westerner attacks.

your fellow christians would eliminate all of those jews if we didnt win