Another US Gun Nut Opens Fire

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
You earlier mentioned that people would stop their criminal acts, or at least some, because they received more wealth. ... You need help or in some cases a hard punishment, not more money.

Interesting concept. Do you have a reference for the proposition that hard punishment makes people better? Some people who believe that beat their children.

Harrison Bergeron said:
did the parents lose control of their guns, if so it is their fault not my 2nd amendment rights fault.

And we all know that your toy rights are more important than somebody else's dead child?

Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2

I don't believe it.

1. What is your authority for that proposition? Sounds dodgy to me.

2. If true, America has a bigger gun problem than I thought.

3. How can you call a nation that violent a land of freedom and liberty? How does that state of society support my constitutional right to pursuit of happiness?

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
I'd like to go in the opposite direction and make stricter laws.

Ah yes. An advocate of "beat them into submission". That goes right along with not understanding how poverty affects violence and social mores. :help:

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
Interesting concept. Do you have a reference for the proposition that hard punishment makes people better? Some people who believe that beat their children.

In some cases we don't even need to give the person a chance to get better, using capital punishment helps a lot.

chuck schmidt said:
Ah yes. An advocate of "beat them into submission". That goes right along with not understanding how poverty affects violence and social mores. :help:

And with some people it got nothing to do with poverty, and everything to do with beliefs.

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
And with some people it got nothing to do with poverty, and everything to do with beliefs.

And there is no connection between the two, of course?

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
And there is no connection between the two, of course?

All depends on the person. I am not saying there isn't, not saying there is. It varies very from person to person.

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
All depends on the person. I am not saying there isn't, not saying there is. It varies very from person to person.

I don't suppose you'd care to expand on that, as long as you've intimated that it doesn't really matter?

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
I don't suppose you'd care to expand on that, as long as you've intimated that it doesn't really matter?

No, it could matter. But I think a lot of people are motivated to commit crime by something far different than economic reasons.

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
No, it could matter. But I think a lot of people are motivated to commit crime by something far different than economic reasons.

Such as the frustration of both poverty and the things it creates/causes?

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
Such as the frustration of both poverty and the things it creates/causes?

Could be the cause, but doesn't have to be.

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
Could be the cause, but doesn't have to be.

You are dodging the question. Because of the manner in which you dismissed the poverty issue I suspect that you lack the necessary information and/or background to debate this issue at all. Anybody can be a nay-sayer, but at that point all you are doing is trolling. I thought trolling wasn't permitted here?

GOP · Feb 20, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
You are dodging the question. Because of the manner in which you dismissed the poverty issue I suspect that you lack the necessary information and/or background to debate this issue at all. Anybody can be a nay-sayer, but at that point all you are doing is trolling. I thought trolling wasn't permitted here?

It was a direct answer to your question, that's neither or. Just a direct reply.

chuck schmidt · Feb 20, 2010

GOP said:
It was a direct answer to your question, that's neither or. Just a direct reply.

Do you understand the existence of social science, poverty and crime?

GOP · Feb 21, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
Do you understand the existence of social science, poverty and crime?

Of course I do.

chuck schmidt · Feb 21, 2010

GOP said:
Of course I do.

It didn't sound like it earlier. Were you just playing coy?

GOP · Feb 21, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
It didn't sound like it earlier. Were you just playing coy?

No, I wasn't.

chuck schmidt · Feb 21, 2010

GOP said:
No, I wasn't.

So when all is said and done, what do your views on poverty have to do with the propriety of gun nuts walking around public streets carrying their toys to shoot people with?

GOP · Feb 21, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
So when all is said and done, what do your views on poverty have to do with the propriety of gun nuts walking around public streets carrying their toys to shoot people with?

Excuse me?

chuck schmidt · Feb 21, 2010

GOP said:
Excuse me?

You es-speak a da eengleesh, senor?

You know, the thread topic?

GOP · Feb 21, 2010

chuck schmidt said:
You es-speak a da eengleesh, senor?

You know, the thread topic?

Si senor, but when we did we start attaching poverty and gun criminals walking about in the streets with each other?

chuck schmidt · Feb 22, 2010

GOP said:
Si senor, but when we did we start attaching poverty and gun criminals walking about in the streets with each other?

Everything or nothing. I asked for your views.

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