Are US armed forces out of control? (spin-off thread)

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Absolutely! And also the fact the United States have tried to prevent discrimination in other countries. The Shiites and Kurdish people in Iraq, who lived under horrible conditions under Saddam Hussein. And they've also given girls an opportunity of going to school in Afghanistan, compared to how the conditions for females were back when Taliban ruled the country, they were gassed and killed if they were seen heading off to school. All these groups of people are very glad for what Bush did.
Good points. Especially regarding the Kurdish people and the people from Afghanistan. Lately also Sudan?
 

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Good points. Especially regarding the Kurdish people and the people from Afghanistan. Lately also Sudan?

Yes, and in Sudan. Same with the Eastern European countries too, Germany, and hopefully in the future also countries like North Korea and Iran.
 
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Not yet? This is a really hateful post towards the United States.

I have often heard that. I made the statement and I don't feel hateful, so I guess its not a capital "T" truth? On the other hand maybe views that are not kind and congratulatory are no longer welcome in America?

Nazi-Germany's agenda was to conquer countries
That's the propaganda, anyway. But why? Hitler said over and over it was for lebensraum (SP), or living space. It was economic expansion. Now tell me why America expands into oil-rich Iraq but not desperately poor Somalia?

eliminate all other races but the Aryan race. [This is not America's agenda, their agenda is to liberate countries (that's exactly what they've done).
Agreed that that was the aim of Adolph Hitler. It was not the aim of Bush, Cheney and other US neoconservatives. They were primarily after power, petroleum and wealth. What theory says that personal goals have to be ideologically identical for a political label to be accurate?

And all these things are to keep extremists away from civilization so they don't harm anyone.
I disagree. The US policy in the Gulf is creating "extremists". How would Americans respond if an occupying power was carrying out combat ops in residential neighborhoods, and killing women and children at roadblocks? Would they by any chance become "extremist" by fighting back?

The aim was to control Gulf oil and advance the economic interests of neoconservative power. All that America has to do to keep extremists away from America is leave the Gulf.
 
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The aim was to control Gulf oil and advance the economic interests of neoconservative power. All that America has to do to keep extremists away from America is leave the Gulf.

Yes becuse the extremists didn't already exist before we went in... :rolleyes:
 
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The aim was to control Gulf oil and advance the economic interests of neoconservative power. All that America has to do to keep extremists away from America is leave the Gulf.
Are you prepared to take that risk? Besides which I think we are very long past the stage where people can stay in their own countries. The world has become too much of a global city.
 

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I have often heard that. I made the statement and I don't feel hateful, so I guess its not a capital "T" truth? On the other hand maybe views that are not kind and congratulatory are no longer welcome in America?

Comparing the United States to earlier dictatorships like that will of course create a lot of uproar, and I do believe few people in the States will agree with you.

That's the propaganda, anyway. But why? Hitler said over and over it was for lebensraum (SP), or living space. It was economic expansion. Now tell me why America expands into oil-rich Iraq but not desperately poor Somalia?

So tell me why the United States invaded Afghanistan? Because of oil? Hardly!
 
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Comparing the United States to earlier dictatorships like that will of course create a lot of uproar, and I do believe few people in the States will agree with you.



So tell me why the United States invaded Afghanistan? Because of oil? Hardly!
Some people say that Afghanistan is on an oil route and the United States wanted to secure Afghanistan for a planned oil pipe line through it, refer article below:
http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/CaspianOilPipeline.shtml
 
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I bet the same people that make that claim are 'Truthers'. :rolleyes:
True. After reading it in more details, I have updated the link. There may be better sources than I quoted, as I seem to recall at the time that people were saying that oil had been behind the US tackling the Taliban.
 
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Comparing the United States to earlier dictatorships like that will of course create a lot of uproar, and I do believe few people in the States will agree with you.

Get outside of America and ask around.

So tell me why the United States invaded Afghanistan? Because of oil? Hardly!

Then explain Iraq but not Somalia? Or Rwanda?
 

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Some people say that Afghanistan is on an oil route and the United States wanted to secure Afghanistan for a planned oil pipe line through it, refer article below:
http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/CaspianOilPipeline.shtml

I hardly believe the United States would've stayed in Afghanistan for 8 and a half year only to secure a pipeline, call me naive, but I have a better faith in the American reason to go to war.
 
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True. After reading it in more details, I have updated the link. There may be better sources than I quoted, as I seem to recall at the time that people were saying that oil had been behind the US tackling the Taliban.

A truth does not have to apply always and everywhere to be true.
 

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Get outside of America and ask around.

I am outside of America, but I wasn't speaking of Europeans or Asians, I was speaking of Americans and they would hardly put their own country down like you just did.



Then explain Iraq but not Somalia? Or Rwanda?

Iraq was threatening The UK and The United States, and of course when they're threatened they should and have to defend themselves. Now ask Kurdish and Shiite, I really believe they feel much more liberated now then they did before 2003.

And if The US are only oil hungry, shouldn't they have invaded countries like Saudi Arabia, The Emirates or Qatar?
 
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I hardly believe the United States would've stayed in Afghanistan for 8 and a half year only to secure a pipeline, call me naive, but I have a better faith in the American reason to go to war.
Agreed. But you would never convince the "blame America first" people.:p
 
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Can you be a little specific as I don't quite understand what you mean, specifically? :unsure:

America may have invaded Afghanistan for reasons other than economics. That doesn't mean it didn't invade Iraq for economic reasons.

Or to put it another way, just because dubya is dumb as a rock doesn't mean some rocks aren't dumber.
 
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I am outside of America, but I wasn't speaking of Europeans or Asians, I was speaking of Americans and they would hardly put their own country down like you just did.

You don't believe some Americans are honest?

Iraq was threatening The UK and The United States, and of course when they're threatened they should and have to defend themselves.
Really? America and the US were patrolling Iraqi airspace daily but I don't recall the opposite?

Iraq at the time was prostrate from Gulf War 1 and years of sanctions. Iraq was threatening no-one. Poodle Tony and dubya were just picking on the weakest country in the Gulf because it was a no-lose adventure with a lot of war profiteering in the offing.

Now ask Kurdish and Shiite, I really believe they feel much more liberated now then they did before 2003.
Why would I ask them anything? Its none of my business.

And if The US are only oil hungry, shouldn't they have invaded countries like Saudi Arabia, The Emirates or Qatar?
Because Iraq looked weaker. It was and is an illegal invasion that makes America look like pre-WW2 fascist Italy invading Abysinnia. Same trick, same reasons, same cowardice.
 
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You don't believe some Americans are honest?

Really? America and the US were patrolling Iraqi airspace daily but I don't recall the opposite?

Iraq at the time was prostrate from Gulf War 1 and years of sanctions. Iraq was threatening no-one. Poodle Tony and dubya were just picking on the weakest country in the Gulf because it was a no-lose adventure with a lot of war profiteering in the offing.

Why would I ask them anything? Its none of my business.

Because Iraq looked weaker. It was and is an illegal invasion that makes America look like pre-WW2 fascist Italy invading Abysinnia. Same trick, same reasons, same cowardice.

It's 1 thing to criticize America, it's another thing to insult us by calling us fascists.
 
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It's 1 thing to criticize America, it's another thing to insult us by calling us fascists.
Once again, no respect. Blame America first. And so just insult Americans. I am beginning to find the rude insults a bit hollow and funny.:p
 
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