Background checks fails and Obama cries

Feb 2013
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The due process occurred, Obama's push for stricter background checks was not supported by the legislature. Either way it could have gone would have been due process, but Obama is crying about it, I don't know why. His plan wasn't right for America apparently, why does he cry? He needs to try again with an altered bill. That is how it works.

Any thoughts?
 
Oct 2012
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The due process occurred, Obama's push for stricter background checks was not supported by the legislature. Either way it could have gone would have been due process, but Obama is crying about it, I don't know why. His plan wasn't right for America apparently, why does he cry? He needs to try again with an altered bill. That is how it works.

Any thoughts?

I was disappointed as well...not so much because it was a great bill, but more because of the voices of "We the People" being ignored in favor of outside interests. This is the first time the Lobbyists have been so blatant in the process....and it is a bit disheartening for the future of our country.
 
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I was disappointed as well...not so much because it was a great bill, but more because of the voices of "We the People" being ignored in favor of outside interests. This is the first time the Lobbyists have been so blatant in the process....and it is a bit disheartening for the future of our country.

There were no lobbyists involved.

I am happy the bill was struck down. there doesn't need to be stricter laws on people who obey them, but more effective prevention of the ability to break them.
 
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The due process occurred, Obama's push for stricter background checks was not supported by the legislature. Either way it could have gone would have been due process, but Obama is crying about it, I don't know why. His plan wasn't right for America apparently, why does he cry? He needs to try again with an altered bill. That is how it works.

Any thoughts?
He said all he wanted was a "vote". Well he got his vote. He thought he could shove it down everyone's throat. I feel sorry for the victims families. I think they have been abused by O'bama. He put more on them than they needed right now. And they are not the only "victim families" in this country.
 
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He said all he wanted was a "vote". Well he got his vote. He thought he could shove it down everyone's throat. I feel sorry for the victims families. I think they have been abused by O'bama. He put more on them than they needed right now. And they are not the only "victim families" in this country.

He manipulated them as political pawns. I never even considered that.
 
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There were no lobbyists involved.

I am happy the bill was struck down. there doesn't need to be stricter laws on people who obey them, but more effective prevention of the ability to break them.

The NRA is a lobby group:
"The NRA is considered by many the most powerful lobbying group in the country, despite relatively modest financial resources and just 4 million members."
Eric Holder charged with contempt: How did the NRA swing the votes of so many Democrats? - Slate Magazine

And this time the lobby group not only advertized, the but was a bit....dishonest to the public.
 
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The NRA is a lobby group:
"The NRA is considered by many the most powerful lobbying group in the country, despite relatively modest financial resources and just 4 million members."
Eric Holder charged with contempt: How did the NRA swing the votes of so many Democrats? - Slate Magazine

And this time the lobby group not only advertized, the but was a bit....dishonest to the public.

A lobby that supports rights isn't the same as a special interest lobby like the anti gun lobby.

And the opposition did so as well.
 
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The NRA is a lobby group:
"The NRA is considered by many the most powerful lobbying group in the country, despite relatively modest financial resources and just 4 million members."
Eric Holder charged with contempt: How did the NRA swing the votes of so many Democrats? - Slate Magazine

And this time the lobby group not only advertized, the but was a bit....dishonest to the public.
True. But there was a bit of dishonesty on both sides. It came down to talking points. I never heard as many "common sense" repeated by so many in my life. It shows when they are on script. I sincerely believe O'bama is lying when he says he did not use those families. He thinks he is so smart that people can't see through him.
 

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NRA is a citizens liberty association, much like the ACLU.

Yes seriously.

The ACLU is a special interests group just like the NRA... Just because it is a cause you support does not mean it ceases to be a lobbying group :p
 
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The ACLU is a special interests group just like the NRA... Just because it is a cause you support does not mean it ceases to be a lobbying group :p

Lobbing for the constitution seems to be in all the citizens interest, it seems the government is a special interest lobby.
 

myp

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Lobbing for the constitution seems to be in all the citizens interest, it seems the government is a special interest lobby.

The Constitution thing is arguable. Considering that the NRA and ACLU both hire people for lobbyist positions, I think it is safe to say they lobby :p
 
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Lobbing for the constitution seems to be in all the citizens interest, it seems the government is a special interest lobby.

In the extended background checks fight, the NRA didn't lobby "for the Constitution". They lobbied for themselves, and their extremism in supporting gun rights. Everything can be brought to unhealthy extremes, and that's exactly what the NRA does. Here is their absurd statement:

"Today, the misguided Manchin-Toomey-Schumer proposal failed in the U.S. Senate. This amendment would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens, requiring lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution. As we have noted previously, expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools.
The NRA will continue to work with Republicans and Democrats who are committed to protecting our children in schools, prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law, and fixing our broken mental health system. We are grateful for the hard work and leadership of those Senators who chose to pursue meaningful solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems."


1. SO WHAT if the amendment "would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens, requiring lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution." ?
First of all, the "honest" citizens may not always know how "honest" are the people they're selling their guns to (including friends, neighbors, & family members). They, as well as anyone, should be required to insure the American public that the guns are going into safe hands.

2. I waited 3 days to get my gun, while my background was checked. I have no problem with that. In fact, I'd be uncomfortable if they didn't do a thorough check, knowing other gun buyers might not be thoroughly checked.

3. The statement "...expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime..." is FALSE. Sure it would reduce violent crime. By keeping guns away from people who are criminal or dangerously deranged. Not everyone can buy a gun on the street.

4. No, the NRA is NOT working with the Congress to protect our children in schools. Quite the contrary, they are working to endanger those kids.

5. We the American people (90%) are grateful for the hard work and leadership of those Senators who chose to vote FOR the extended background checks bill.

6. Is the discomfort to a gun buyer of waiting for a background check as bad as the discomfort of the people killed by criminals who legally buy a gun, or the family & friends of those killed ?
 
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The Constitution thing is arguable. Considering that the NRA and ACLU both hire people for lobbyist positions, I think it is safe to say they lobby :p

Far from special interest though. In this case I believe the legislature was the special interest lobby
 
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