Boston Bombings Confirms Need for Street Cameras

Protectionist · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
being able to move around in the public without being watched by big brother is a liberty. Once liberty is removed for safety we have neither.

I am not so trusting of officials, they are often abusing their positions.

HA HA. He just isn't getting how ludicrous this sounds. The same thing could be said of the "liberty" to kill someone. If we have a law against murder, you no longer have the "liberty" to commit it. If we have a law against rape, you no longer have that "liberty". If we have a law against pedophilia, you then don't have that "liberty". (BTW all of these are prescribed to be liberties that Muslims should have - in the Koran)

There are many things that you don't have the "liberty" of for the purpose of security, and rightfully so. Perhaps you'd rather have the excessively permissive Koran guide us in everyday life, rather than the laws we have ?

Protectionist · Apr 21, 2013

DodgeFB said:
I guess this says how I feel better than I could.

AUTHOR:[Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)[:[Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.~~ATTRIBUTION:]BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).~~

But Franklin's quote does NOT apply to street cameras.

1. Being able to not be seen on a PUBLIC street camera (when you're being seen anyway) is NOT an essential liberty.

2. The safety gotten from street cameras is not temporary.

3. The safety gotten from street cameras is not little.

Strike 1, Strike 2, Strike 3. :giggle:

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

DodgeFB said:
I guess this says how I feel better than I could.

AUTHOR:[Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)[:[Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.~~ATTRIBUTION:]BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).~~

~~Yes Benjamin Franklin was a very wise man indeed.~~

DodgeFB · Apr 21, 2013

Protectionist said:
But Franklin's quote does NOT apply to street cameras.

1. Being able to not be seen on a PUBLIC street camera (when you're being seen anyway) is NOT an essential liberty.

2. The safety gotten from street cameras is not temporary.

3. The safety gotten from street cameras is not little.

Strike 1, Strike 2, Strike 3. :giggle:

That is your opinion. I happen to disagree. Seems you are willing to give up some liberty just to feel "safe". We have no rights if we fail to claim them. Maybe you are willing to live like a hamster on a wheel. I am not. I tend to take responsibility for my own safety in most situations. Too me it is sad that you are willing to bow down so much to feel safe. A camera may help catch the one that hurt you. But it will not keep them from hurting you. It will just watch it happen.

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

DodgeFB said:
That is your opinion. I happen to disagree. Seems you are willing to give up some liberty just to feel "safe". We have no rights if we fail to claim them. Maybe you are willing to live like a hamster on a wheel. I am not. I tend to take responsibility for my own safety in most situations. Too me it is sad that you are willing to bow down so much to feel safe. A camera may help catch the one that hurt you. But it will not keep them from hurting you. It will just watch it happen.

Yeah, a life in prison doesn't bring people back from the dead. No matter if the camera caught them doing it or not.

DodgeFB · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
Yeah, a life in prison doesn't bring people back from the dead. No matter if the camera caught them doing it or not.

You know there are people that would think chipping babies like pets would be a good idea. Then you put sensors on the streets so when that baby dies at 90 years old there would be a record of everywhere they had been and who they had come in contact with.:giggle:

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

DodgeFB said:
You know there are people that would think chipping babies like pets would be a good idea. Then you put sensors on the streets so when that baby dies at 90 years old there would be a record of everywhere they had been and who they had come in contact with.:giggle:

That would be a prison. This nation is a place of freedom.

DodgeFB · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
This nation is a place of freedom.

I am glad to meet someone that appreciates that.

myp · Apr 21, 2013

DodgeFB said:
I am glad to meet someone that appreciates that.

Funny thing with that is what is and is not freedom is not always universally agreed upon.

Don't support the street camera thing, but just sayin.

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

myp said:
Funny thing with that is what is and is not freedom is not always universally agreed upon.

Don't support the street camera thing, but just sayin.

Of course there is different ideas of freedom, but i don't see how watching everything someone does is freedom.

I understand i am simply not seeing it, sadly those that are on the other side are not very articulate. Or too absorbed with being correct to fully explain it.

DodgeFB · Apr 21, 2013

myp said:
Funny thing with that is what is and is not freedom is not always universally agreed upon.

Don't support the street camera thing, but just sayin.

Agreed!

You know me, I think like an old guy.

Set in my ways.

tecoyah · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
Of course there is different ideas of freedom, but i don't see how watching everything someone does is freedom.

I understand i am simply not seeing it, sadly those that are on the other side are not very articulate. Or too absorbed with being correct to fully explain it.

Articulated:

As with all our laws, search warrants, police actions.....there are certain dents into liberties we accepts as a necessary evil when creating societal stability and attempting to protect the public at large, we all gain benefit from this as a general rule.
Recent advances in technology have allowed for a scrutiny never before seen, and is controversial due to both the change in our norm, and the perceived issue of personal freedoms.

The depth of the issues has not changed however....if you do nothing to be caught over, you have nothing to fear.

No one will bust you, make public, or in any way make you feel bad about picking your ass on 5th avenue....because no one cares.

But......they might stop someone from raping your daughter, robbing a bank, or blowing up a building.

I like Ben's comments, they make sense. But we are not living in the 1700's.

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

tecoyah said:
Articulated:

As with all our laws, search warrants, police actions.....there are certain dents into liberties we accepts as a necessary evil when creating societal stability and attempting to protect the public at large, we all gain benefit from this as a general rule.
Recent advances in technology have allowed for a scrutiny never before seen, and is controversial due to both the change in our norm, and the perceived issue of personal freedoms.

thank you

tecoyah said:
The depth of the issues has not changed however....if you do nothing to be caught over, you have nothing to fear.

Then why not allow cameras inside homes, it could catch the most heinous crimes of all child abuse.

tecoyah said:
No one will bust you, make public, or in any way make you feel bad about picking your ass on 5th avenue....because no one cares.

Not true there are web sights television shows, even channels that do nothing but this.

tecoyah said:
But......they might stop someone from raping your daughter, robbing a bank, or blowing up a building.

thousands of crimes are caught on tape every day, it didn't stop those crimes, I don't think it would stop any crimes. It might make a person who would lift a news paper not do that, but rapes and murders, even the bombing in Boston was caught on tape out didn't stop that. Technically we are all capable of being watched all the time, cell phone cameras, how many police have you seen acting poorly on tape, their own dash cameras even. It simply records the crime.

tecoyah said:
I like Ben's comments, they make sense. But we are not living in the 1700's.

Not sure ego Ben is.

DodgeFB · Apr 21, 2013

There are robberies everyday that are caught on video. Even bank robbers know the cameras are there. But they still do it.

Then there are the real bad guys. The ones that get up in the morning "knowing" this is their day to die. Once they accept their own death cameras or laws are unlikely to stop them Only brute force in the right place and time has a chance to stop them. I am no danger to anyone. And would never steal from anyone. I don't mind the cameras in the stores. But if I wanted to live in a bubble I would look for a dome.

tecoyah · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
thank you

Then why not allow cameras inside homes, it could catch the most heinous crimes of all child abuse.
Not true there are web sights television shows, even channels that do nothing but this.

Moving this discussion to unlikely possibility does not further it...might as well go to a Chip implanted in the neck.

thousands of crimes are caught on tape every day, it didn't stop those crimes, I don't think it would stop any crimes. It might make a person who would lift a news paper not do that, but rapes and murders, even the bombing in Boston was caught on tape out didn't stop that. Technically we are all capable of being watched all the time, cell phone cameras, how many police have you seen acting poorly on tape, their own dash cameras even. It simply records the crime.

Allowing the best to become the enemy of the good seems a poor course to me. Granted there are few immediate results...and crime will continue, but to do nothing is not acceptable.

Not sure ego Ben is.

To me at least....video in public makes sense....we are all seen regardless, and hopefully act accordingly. If we do not.....Busted.

Polydectes · Apr 21, 2013

tecoyah said:
To me at least....video in public makes sense....we are all seen regardless, and hopefully act accordingly. If we do not.....Busted.

Busted is fine, filmed and made into a star on the evening news I think is counter productive

David · Apr 21, 2013

Polydectes said:
Yes Benjamin Franklin was a very wise man indeed.

He was a womanizing alcoholic, socially disgusting, a political and diplomatic phraya and had he been a woman, he'd of been called a whore or worse as much as he slept around. A very unpleasant, impolite and disgusting man whose own son disowned him. Had he not slept with all the leading women of Paris (and satisfied them it seems) so as to bring France into the war, history would never have been so kind to him.

But feel free to idolize him if you wish. Frankly he's only useful for spending.

Polydectes · Apr 22, 2013

David said:
He was a womanizing alcoholic, socially disgusting, a political and diplomatic phraya and had he been a woman, he'd of been called a whore or worse as much as he slept around. A very unpleasant, impolite and disgusting man whose own son disowned him. Had he not slept with all the leading women of Paris (and satisfied them it seems) so as to bring France into the war, history would never have been so kind to him.

But feel free to idolize him if you wish. Frankly he's only useful for spending.

he is wise, means I am idolizing him, have another David.

DodgeFB · Apr 22, 2013

David said:
He was a womanizing alcoholic, socially disgusting, a political and diplomatic phraya and had he been a woman, he'd of been called a whore or worse as much as he slept around. A very unpleasant, impolite and disgusting man whose own son disowned him. Had he not slept with all the leading women of Paris (and satisfied them it seems) so as to bring France into the war, history would never have been so kind to him.

But feel free to idolize him if you wish. Frankly he's only useful for spending.

Seems like he could be elected to any high office in our federal government today.

David · Apr 22, 2013

Polydectes said:
he is wise, means I am idolizing him, have another David.

Nothing wise about him, he was just really good in bed. Not worth idolizing unless you want to buy something expensive.

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