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misterveritis · Feb 3, 2013

What does the Federal Dept of Education do?

tecoyah said:
Yeah....whats the point of teaching our kids, when they will just die of mercury poisoning anyway.

Do you believe the Department of Education is responsible for teaching your children?

How did children learn before the federal government over reached and created the Education Department?

misterveritis · Feb 3, 2013

tecoyah said:
Quite simply put...in real world terms, the U.S. stimulus has been effective at a scale far exceeding the austerity game overseas.

Anyone with facts available and an ability to understand economics MUST realize this.

Though I agree we can still invest, even in debt, we cannot do it stupidly.

Unfortunately, it seems we are pretty stupid right now due to incompetency and partisan BS.

Keynes then?
I prefer Hayek.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk[/video]

David · Feb 3, 2013

misterveritis said:
Do you believe the Department of Education is responsible for teaching your children?

How did children learn before the federal government over reached and created the Education Department?

No but the PS teachers who do are governed by them. Take away the DoE and you'll have liberal indoctrination in New York and Christian Fundamentalism in Texas because there would be no curriculum guidelines or national standards.

myp · Feb 3, 2013

misterveritis said:
Keynes then?
I prefer Hayek.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk[/video]

You do a severe disjustice to both Keynes and Hayek.

myp · Feb 3, 2013

tecoyah said:
My opinion...the fiscal stimulus was the only logical move (unless someone had a better idea)....all spending is inherently bad and monetary spending is not something I can accurately discuss.

Monetary stimulus (if you even want to call it) is an alternative to fiscal stimulus without the necessity for pork and arguably much less misallocation. A NGDP level target could possibly have done wonders. Heck, even adhering to our 2% inflation target might have been good enough to have gotten us out of recovery by now.

misterveritis · Feb 4, 2013

myp said:
You do a severe disjustice to both Keynes and Hayek.

Why would you say such an obviously idiotic thing? I am eager to hear your goofy explanation.

myp · Feb 6, 2013

misterveritis said:
Why would you say such an obviously idiotic thing? I am eager to hear your goofy explanation.

Because neither one used the silly methodologies (or lack thereof) you do. Also, when you phrase it so simply (Hayek v. Keynes), it becomes quite apparent that you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even know the major studies and theories behind Keynesianism or do you just use it like a political talking point like you do with everything else? (you don't actually have to answer either of those- I already know the answer)

Might interest you to know that a lot of people today including many advisors for a lot of politicians consider themselves neither to be Keynesians or Austrians (the school Hayek is usually associated with).

Stonewall · Feb 6, 2013

David said:
No but the PS teachers who do are governed by them. Take away the DoE and you'll have liberal indoctrination in New York and Christian Fundamentalism in Texas because there would be no curriculum guidelines or national standards.

Gee, diversity and the challenge of students. I cannot imagine teaching them anything liberal or fundamental, how would they ever survive. You write this as if our students properly challenged cannot learn as much as we can teach them....and apply their own fundamental or liberal views.....you know like a free society would.

You seem like a supporter of large centralized government, David. Yes?

myp · Feb 6, 2013

Stonewall said:
You seem like a supporter of large centralized government, David. Yes?

Why does everything with you have to come down to this disgusting, anti-intellectual, black and white, unrealistic simplification? Big government or no? That's all it seems to come down to for you.

Stonewall · Feb 6, 2013

myp said:
Why does everything with you have to come down to this disgusting, anti-intellectual, black and white, unrealistic simplification? Big government or no? That's all it seems to come down to for you.

I see...so David writes "Take away the DoE and you'll have liberal indoctrination in New York and Christian Fundamentalism in Texas because there would be no curriculum guidelines or national standards"..........a farily black and white statement.......saying we must keep this monstrosity centralized government department regulating curriculum or else...indoctrination and fundamentalism occur.

I respond with " as if our students properly challenged cannot learn as much as we can teach them....and apply their own fundamental or liberal views."

Who is taking the road of "unrealistic simplification?"

And youR post Sir.....doesn't even begin to take on any thread topic, seems to otherwise focus on me. I could see this question to me in some form of context to this thread.......but I don't see any context here. Whatsover.

My style is my style.....I think even given the quick nature of infracs in here that at least would be permitted. Don't like my style.......don't respond to me. I'm following forum rules, what exactly is your issue?

Stonewall · Feb 6, 2013

Or MYP, would an oversimplification instead be some erred opinion that our economic growth issue isn't a "long term" issue, rather a short/medium term issue so issues like debt extensions shouldn't "even be debated?"

Uhh...yeah.

Note, that's asked in the context of a thread about the US economy. I'm not merely focusing on you.

myp · Feb 6, 2013

Stonewall said:
I see...so David writes "Take away the DoE and you'll have liberal indoctrination in New York and Christian Fundamentalism in Texas because there would be no curriculum guidelines or national standards"..........a farily black and white statement.......saying we must keep this monstrosity centralized government department regulating curriculum or else...indoctrination and fundamentalism occur.

I respond with " as if our students properly challenged cannot learn as much as we can teach them....and apply their own fundamental or liberal views."

Who is taking the road of "unrealistic simplification?"

And youR post Sir.....doesn't even begin to take on any thread topic, seems to otherwise focus on me. I could see this question to me in some form of context to this thread.......but I don't see any context here. Whatsover.

My style is my style.....I think even given the quick nature of infracs in here that at least would be permitted. Don't like my style.......don't respond to me. I'm following forum rules, what exactly is your issue?

I am not posting as a staff member here, I am posting as a fellow member, so my issue is nothing other than that within the realm of debate. Your oversimplifications to big government vs. sm government don't tell the whole story. Someone might think you are a big government statist for supporting the military, which I am assuming you do. But really all that means nothing. The logical points and data matter, not the ideological monikers.

Stonewall · Feb 6, 2013

myp said:
I am not posting as a staff member here, I am posting as a fellow member, so my issue is nothing other than that within the realm of debate.

Your post had nothing to do with the thread content, but rather my posting style not content. Your issue has nothing to do with debate whatsoever, in my opinion

Your oversimplifications to big government vs. sm government don't tell the whole story. Someone might think you are a big government statist for supporting the military, which I am assuming you do. But really all that means nothing. The logical points and data matter, not the ideological monikers.

You don't take anyone on with such statements as these.....In the assault ban thread you're quotes "You don't understand science and are not trying to. I have nothing to say to you." in response to another member.

You oversimplify, Sir. It is you both distracting from the content on this particular thread.....and not practicing what you're preaching to me in other forums. I am posting as a mmember here as well and informing you....MYP....that your criticisms here are a classic tale of projection. Oversimplify, you don't understand "science", and then trying to criticize my writing style rather than content.....is over the top. That's my opinion....as a member.

David · Feb 6, 2013

Stonewall said:
You seem like a supporter of large centralized government, David. Yes?

I'm for an extremely decentralized system actually but unlike yourself, I understand the need for unifying standards in a union.

myp · Feb 6, 2013

Stonewall said:
You oversimplify, Sir. It is you both distracting from the content on this particular thread.....and not practicing what you're preaching to me in other forums. I am posting as a mmember here as well and informing you....MYP....that your criticisms here are a classic tale of projection. Oversimplify, you don't understand "science", and then trying to criticize my writing style rather than content.....is over the top. That's my opinion....as a member.

What have I oversimplified? Other than perhaps misunderstanding what you are trying to say, I am not sure what.

myp · Feb 6, 2013

Stonewall said:
Or MYP, would an oversimplification instead be some erred opinion that our economic growth issue isn't a "long term" issue, rather a short/medium term issue so issues like debt extensions shouldn't "even be debated?".

No one ever said that. (go read my posts again)

tecoyah · Feb 6, 2013

misterveritis said:
Do you believe the Department of Education is responsible for teaching your children?

How did children learn before the federal government over reached and created the Education Department?

It is my understanding the DOE is a government department focused on education, and thus in many ways does indeed teach our children. By creating a systematic and uniform means of evaluating and institutionalizing the data provided, we are able to create a form of education far more in depth and useful in the world our children must live in.
Before the DOE children were taught based on what an individual teacher was capable of providing. Depending on who did this job, where they were located, what the locality needed, and the limited availability of information, the children and adults would not be able to compete in todays world....in my opinion.

Stonewall · Feb 6, 2013

tecoyah said:
That you decide to focus on the accurate costs....rather than the accurate benefits has made it very clear you have no interest in actual debate.

I think costs can be measured, benefits measured I believe in economic health/growth, there has been none.

Obviously, you have joined the right handed problem.

The problem is spending, tecoyah, the right handed solutions focus on that problem, spending. While the left handed solution focuses on taxes.

Unworthy of actual debate.

I couldn't disagree more.

Yes....the stimulus was expensive.
Yes it seems to have prevented some very bad things.

It prevented nothing

Obama is not the antichrist.
Beohner is not a worthless chunk of flesh.

NO one has ever suggested Obama is the antiChrist just that he's a left leaning socialist agenda loving circus clown.

Until we the people stop being morons....they will keep doing it as well.

Too late, elections are over. People were already morons, elections have consequences. We'll hear nothing but blame game and neglect of accountability for the next 4 years, nothing has changed, you're correct.

misterveritis · Feb 6, 2013

David said:
No but the PS teachers who do are governed by them. Take away the DoE and you'll have liberal indoctrination in New York and Christian Fundamentalism in Texas because there would be no curriculum guidelines or national standards.

Education is a parents' issue first and foremost. Then it is a local issue, then a county issue and a state issue. It is not a Federal issue. So if your local teachers are taking their marching orders from Washington then it is way beyond the time when we should have closed down the Education department.

How many billions and billions of dollars should we spend to create a "national standard"?

misterveritis · Feb 6, 2013

tecoyah said:
It is my understanding the DOE is a government department focused on education, and thus in many ways does indeed teach our children.

LOL. The department of education does nothing but pass out money to advance its big government, left wing agenda. It teaches no children. If my question was a test you failed it.

By creating a systematic and uniform means of evaluating and institutionalizing the data provided, we are able to create a form of education far more in depth and useful in the world our children must live in.

Institutionalizing is a good word. We have institutionalized our children to turn them into useful drones. How much money do you think it should take and how many years should it take to create "a systematic and uniform means of evaluating and institutionalizing the data"? Six months?

Before the DOE children were taught based on what an individual teacher was capable of providing. Depending on who did this job, where they were located, what the locality needed, and the limited availability of information, the children and adults would not be able to compete in todays world....in my opinion.

How well has that worked? Was Obama educated in the public schools system?

In fact isn't the real mission to influence schools to see it the federal government's way by passing out billions and billions of dollars of walking around money?

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