For or Against Capital Punishment?

For or Against Capital Punishment?

  • For

    Votes: 16 64.0%
  • Against

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • Undecided/No Comment

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Total voters
    25
Apr 2009
1,943
5
Disunited Queendom
I've held a grudge ever since learning about the Crusades.

I can understand that. I learned of those afterward, though, believe it or not. Geman children are taught very young the horrors that have been committed by our awful Governments - and that was a side note.

I'm still not sure if that was good or bad, considering how young i was.
 
Mar 2009
2,188
2
For me Justice has always been where the two scales are perfectly aligned, so by that analogy, there could not be any place for revenge along the "eye for an eye" lines possible in "Justice". If someone should be proven to have committed a serious crime, obviously he has to be removed from society. Capital Punishment to me would fall under the heading of "revenge".
 
Jan 2010
14
0
Italy
Sorry I know its been a while since the last post but I couldn't resist throwing in a quick opinion. I've wrestled with my feelings on Capitol Punishment for quite a while, but for the worst crimes such as raping and then killing or killing a child I really don't see how we can not follow through with it. Even if Capitol Punishment saves one life through prevention its totally worth it. Yes, I'm aware that there is a chance innocent people could be put to death. But, just like everything else in life whether it be allowing people to drive 2 ton automobiles at ridiculous speed limits or many other things there is a price for everything and I definitely believe almost all criminals would rather sit in prison than be put to death by their own government.

I really think we need to look at this as the perpetrator instituting the death penalty. When they do something they know is not only wrong, but horribly wrong the death penalty should be on them and only on them. We like to throw blame at society and the government but in reality there would be no need for a Death Penalty if people would simply behave. In other words punishment in any form is brought on itself. When you do something like take someone else's life you need to be prepared to give up your own. If we had Capitol Punishment in every state in the U.S. a criminal would know that going in.
 
Mar 2009
2,188
2
I really think we need to look at this as the perpetrator instituting the death penalty. When they do something they know is not only wrong, but horribly wrong the death penalty should be on them and only on them. We like to throw blame at society and the government but in reality there would be no need for a Death Penalty if people would simply behave. In other words punishment in any form is brought on itself. When you do something like take someone else's life you need to be prepared to give up your own. If we had Capitol Punishment in every state in the U.S. a criminal would know that going in.
I like to believe in justice and hope to have the pendulum right in the middle between right and wrong and of course that is not always possible. For me it is wrong to take a life. Either way. A person killing another person, or someone sentenced to be killed through a death penalty. The death penalty is like punishing someone with the same crime that he has committed. So how just can that be for a society who prosecutes people who kill?
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
I like to believe in justice and hope to have the pendulum right in the middle between right and wrong and of course that is not always possible. For me it is wrong to take a life. Either way. A person killing another person, or someone sentenced to be killed through a death penalty. The death penalty is like punishing someone with the same crime that he has committed. So how just can that be for a society who prosecutes people who kill?
There you go my friend. I love it when someone gets some of what they dished out.;)
 
Jul 2009
5,893
474
Port St. Lucie
I like to believe in justice and hope to have the pendulum right in the middle between right and wrong and of course that is not always possible. For me it is wrong to take a life. Either way. A person killing another person, or someone sentenced to be killed through a death penalty. The death penalty is like punishing someone with the same crime that he has committed. So how just can that be for a society who prosecutes people who kill?

An eye for an eye, karma, treat others as you'd like to be treated, ect.
 
Mar 2009
2,188
2
An eye for an eye, karma, treat others as you'd like to be treated, ect.
Why then have a justice system. Why not do like they used to do and string the "murderer" up or stone him/her? And then what? The relatives of the "murderer" may also need some vengeance, along the lines of an "eye" for and "eye"? Violence beget violence?
 
Jul 2009
5,893
474
Port St. Lucie
Why then have a justice system. Why not do like they used to do and string the "murderer" up or stone him/her? And then what? The relatives of the "murderer" may also need some vengeance, along the lines of an "eye" for and "eye"? Violence beget violence?

Because the wrong person might be on trial. But once a conviction is at hand, I do think that a person should be sentenced and the sentence carried out at once.
 
Mar 2009
2,188
2
Because the wrong person might be on trial.
That is one of my worst concerns. As the justice pendulum does not always get to the centre point and sometimes people get convicted wrongly. Some even manage to escape the system through reason of technicalities. Even more the reason for not sentencing them to death. As human beings we are just not perfect enough to have a system that is perfect enough to have perfect hearings and perfect verdicts. We are therefore also not perfect enough to give a verdict to end the life of another human being.
 
Apr 2009
1,943
5
Disunited Queendom
That is one of my worst concerns. As the justice pendulum does not always get to the centre point and sometimes people get convicted wrongly. Some even manage to escape the system through reason of technicalities. Even more the reason for not sentencing them to death. As human beings we are just not perfect enough to have a system that is perfect enough to have perfect hearings and perfect verdicts. We are therefore also not perfect enough to give a verdict to end the life of another human being.

I agree.

(filler)
 
Jan 2010
317
0
Why do we punish? To me that is the only issue. IMO there are basically three justifiable reasons for society to punish. Only the last one justifies today`s formal, ritualized executions:


  1. rehabilitation,
  2. deterrence,
  3. public protection.

Anything else results in men playing God.

In my view capital punishment should be reserved for only the most serious cases that involve the taking of human life, and only then if there is no other way to safeguard human life if the prisoner were to be released. In other words serial killers. If you have a guy like Ted Bundy, who immediately before his death told a pastor that if he was ultimately freed he would carry on his killing spree, capital punishment by society is essentially self defence and justified on that basis.

I also think that the question of how much money is spent incarcerating people has no business in the equation. Human life isn`t for sale by government.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
Why do we punish? To me that is the only issue. IMO there are basically three justifiable reasons for society to punish. Only the last one justifies today`s formal, ritualized executions:


  1. rehabilitation,
  2. deterrence,
  3. public protection.

Anything else results in men playing God.

In my view capital punishment should be reserved for only the most serious cases that involve the taking of human life, and only then if there is no other way to safeguard human life if the prisoner were to be released. In other words serial killers. If you have a guy like Ted Bundy, who immediately before his death told a pastor that if he was ultimately freed he would carry on his killing spree, capital punishment by society is essentially self defence and justified on that basis.

I also think that the question of how much money is spent incarcerating people has no business in the equation. Human life isn`t for sale by government.
In my opinion their life should have the same worth they had put on the lives of others.
 
Mar 2009
369
4
In my opinion their life should have the same worth they had put on the lives of others.

Yep. I just recently watched The Lovely Bones... I don't know how anyone could watch that movie or read that book and not agree with capital punishment.
 
Jan 2010
317
0
In my opinion their life should have the same worth they had put on the lives of others.

Judge not lest ye be judged. What does that prove, other than that the government is mightier than the individual. Shouldn't punishment have a purpose? How many guilty should you execute per innocent to make it right? Is 10 real killers for one government murder close enough?
 
Mar 2009
2,188
2
In my view capital punishment should be reserved for only the most serious cases that involve the taking of human life, and only then if there is no other way to safeguard human life if the prisoner were to be released.
Again, how does one determine serious cases, as it will involve judgment, and in my opinion the human ability to judge is not perfect at all. There is a good track record for that.
 
Jan 2010
317
0
Again, how does one determine serious cases, as it will involve judgment, and in my opinion the human ability to judge is not perfect at all. There is a good track record for that.

I agree. Many innocent people have been freed by DNA evidence, often people from marginalized subcultures. Is it asking too much to just keep them in prison instead of killing them? The cost of one senator's retirement benefits is all it takes? Or one volley of missiles from an exercising military unit?
 
Mar 2009
2,751
6
Undisclosed
Judge not lest ye be judged. What does that prove, other than that the government is mightier than the individual. Shouldn't punishment have a purpose? How many guilty should you execute per innocent to make it right? Is 10 real killers for one government murder close enough?
Some of them don't even deny it. If they admit they did it why keep them around? You know they sometimes kill guards and other prisoners. And these days you never know when some soft hearted (or headed) judge will decide to let them out. We just had a guy kill his own baby. He did 15 years for killing one of his babies a few years ago. How many chances do they get?


Man charged with killing infant son killed another son in 1991
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/art...-was-convicted-of-killing-another-son-in-1991

or this one. What good is she to anyone?

Police: Woman admitted killing two young sons

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-03-texas-tots-killed_N.htm?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
 
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Mar 2009
2,751
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Undisclosed
God made her a human being. Judge not. Maybe some day someone will have to make that call on you and only you will know you're not guilty?
When they call the police and say I killed my kids, as far as I am concerned they did it. I think the people that put killers back on the street should be held accountable when they kill again. Charge them with murder too.

You don't have to keep telling me who made humans. :rolleyes: But in her case I think she left the ranch when she killed her kids. AS for me, I would rather just get the death penalty than go to prison as a "baby killer".

Short of God coming right up in my face and telling me I am wrong, I don't see me changing my opinion. I have had real life experience in my family that could make me go either way. And I never wavered at anytime. I had a family member that was thought to have killed someone. And it was proved they did not. And I have had more than one of my family raped and beaten. One was thrown out of a moving car in Louisville after three days of this abuse. And guess what, the bastards are walking free today.:mad:

So just don't waste your time trying to convince me how God made them and that society should take resources that could be used for "good" people and waste them on killers and rapist.

I would kill them and stand before God today if I could.
 
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