Illegal to fail students if they believe in certain myths as opposed to facts?

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Evolution IS NOT creation, period.

Evolution does not in any way deal with the way life began, but instead deals with what this life has been doing once it did begin.

Through evolution the next generation is created. Just like evolution is an on going proceeds so is creation.
 
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Being such a great skeptic that you let it halt all progress in society is meaningless to you? Wow.

You halted progress, you said something brilliant and then rebutted it with garbage.
 

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Polydectes, believe what you want, but thankfully the people who have made such progress for our species and our world don't think like you do. And in case you didn't know, colleges want well-rounded kids nowadays, not vice-versa ;)
 
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Polydectes, believe what you want, but thankfully the people who have made such progress for our species and our world don't think like you do. And in case you didn't know, colleges want well-rounded kids nowadays, not vice-versa ;)
Thank you, I will. And colleges want blah blah blah, that isn't of any importance, what should matter to the student is what they want for themselves, after all this is education for their career, college is merely a stepping stone.

I know many people with degrees that can't get work, because they are "over qualified" for basic work and the fields they picked are not short staffed.

By the way, progress wouldn't have been made if people weren't driven to question everything. Even your contentions. Don't like it when your beliefs are put to the test huh?
 

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Thank you, I will. And colleges want blah blah blah, that isn't of any importance, what should matter to the student is what they want for themselves, after all this is education for their career, college is merely a stepping stone.

I know many people with degrees that can't get work, because they are "over qualified" for basic work and the fields they picked are not short staffed.

By the way, progress wouldn't have been made if people weren't driven to question everything. Even your contentions. Don't like it when your beliefs are put to the test huh?

Why must you misrepresent views when you get backed in a corner? I have said multiple times that I question everything. I also don't let that questioning get in the way of evidence or proof of the truth though. It is all relative. Nothing is absolute as you make it out to be.

I still have no idea what you want to teach in schools. Considering that the "way to think" is arguable in and of itself- our disagreement on that being ample evidence, what do you want to teach? You don't want to teach any substance which opens the minds of children to new areas which they might otherwise not have known about and you don't want to even teach things that they should know in life, like the basics of how life including theirs works (biology). So what do you want to teach?
 
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Why must you misrepresent views when you get backed in a corner? I have said multiple times that I question everything. I also don't let that questioning get in the way of evidence or proof of the truth though. It is all relative. Nothing is absolute as you make it out to be.

You don't even understand my views, I don't think you can. I am an abstract thinker you are hopelessly stuck in a box, you would likely make a fantastic professor. The fact that you think there is proof, tells me you don't question, why would you question proof. Proof, fact, truth these are all words you use, and they are absolutes, you are calling the kettle black now. I never once claimed to know truth our fact or proof.

I still have no idea what you want to teach in schools. Considering that the "way to think" is arguable in and of itself- our disagreement on that being ample evidence, what do you want to teach? You don't want to teach any substance which opens the minds of children to new areas which they might otherwise not have known about and you don't want to even teach things that they should know in life, like the basics of how life including theirs works (biology). So what do you want to teach?

What do you want them to teach? Obviously not intelligent design, I agree. I told you what they should teach, kids how to function in society. They suck at it. The us has a terrible education system.
 

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I am an abstract thinker you are hopelessly stuck in a box, you would likely make a fantastic professor. The fact that you think there is proof, tells me you don't question, why would you question proof. Proof, fact, truth these are all words you use, and they are absolutes, you are calling the kettle black now. I never once claimed to know truth our fact or proof.

Again, I question everything just like you do. At least I believe you when you say it- you clearly can't do that for me. The point is that at a certain point there is great utility in considering certain things fact and others not. And you even seem to believe it when you say 1+1=2. That may well be true if for example a evil monster is manipulating all of your thoughts including 1+1 so he leads you to believe 1+1=2 instead of 1+1=3. And yet, you still consider 1+1=2 a fact, do you not? Therein lies your hypocrisy.

And you keep saying you don't consider anything fact, but it is quite obvious that you think or at least lead people to believe that your interpretation of the world that you are describing here is fact. You seem to think I am undoubtedly wrong. Again, an example of your hypocrisy.

And this hypocrisy is not meant as a putdown because I think your intentions are good, you just don't realize you are contradicting yourself yet.


What do you want them to teach? Obviously not intelligent design, I agree. I told you what they should teach, kids how to function in society. They suck at it. The us has a terrible education system.

What does that even mean? Give me specifics of what you want to teach.

As for what I want to teach, a lot of what we currently teach isn't bad, so a lot of that would stay. I would make some changes though- more rigor starting earlier, especially in mathematics, more economics, more emphasis on the scientific method, more statistics, more health-related topics.
 
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Again, I question everything just like you do. At least I believe you when you say it- you clearly can't do that for me. The point is that at a certain point there is great utility in considering certain things fact and others not.
I agree, you and i differ on where that is.
And you even seem to believe it when you say 1+1=2. That may well be true if for example a evil monster is manipulating all of your thoughts including 1+1 so he leads you to believe 1+1=2 instead of 1+1=3. And yet, you still consider 1+1=2 a fact, do you not? Therein lies your hypocrisy.
what religion believes that?
And you keep saying you don't consider anything fact, but it is quite obvious that you think or at least lead people to believe that your interpretation of the world that you are describing here is fact. You seem to think I am undoubtedly wrong. Again, an example of your hypocrisy.
I consider lots of things facts i never said i didn't. My hypocrisy only exists to you because you misinterpreted my argument.
And this hypocrisy is not meant as a putdown because I think your intentions are good, you just don't realize you are contradicting yourself yet.
I am not contradicting myself you just don't understand my argument.


What does that even mean? Give me specifics of what you want to teach.
It means that by the time they graduate from high school they are ready to enter the work force our attend college.
As for what I want to teach, a lot of what we currently teach isn't bad, so a lot of that would stay. I would make some changes though- more rigor starting earlier, especially in mathematics, more economics, more emphasis on the scientific method, more statistics, more health-related topics.
Those are exactly the places I would do the same with. Also history, to me history is the absolute most important subject, especially in this nation, besides it is so vibrant and fascinating. How could people not be captivated by it?
 
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