I Haven't deviated from the topic, the topic is religion.
Islam has its own ethics, it fits the definition.
Is Islam a Religion
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I Haven't deviated from the topic, the topic is religion.
Islam has its own ethics, it fits the definition.
Agree with what ? I haven't stated any position except that millions of people around the world challenge the notion of Islam being a religion.
Read the OP >> "This may come as a surprise to some, but there are millions of people around the world who do not accept the idea of Islam being a religion. The phrase >> "Islam - Not a religion" gets 191 Million results in a Google search.
If everyone who has lived over the past 1400 years could be asked, the results might possibly be in the Billions. Many people question Islam's ability to be a religion because of one primary factor. It's heavy content of immoral behavior. According to my dictionary (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.), a religion not only is a system of beliefs and worship, it also carries a code of ethics as well. How can Islam possibly fit into this ? - when its Koran is chock full of terrible UNethics..."
"This point of view is a debateable one."
Also, have you read the links in the OP ?
NO, the topic is NOT "religion". The TOPIC if whether Islam is a religion or not.
It's own ethics ? LOL. This is getting crazier by the minute. It's own ethics. Gee, that's terrific. And when those "own ethics" kill innocent people, rape women, beat wives, molest kids, etc., you call these thing "ethics" ? Pheeeeeeww !! (high-pitched whistle).
Don't be ridiculous. These things are IMMORAL. They are the opposite of ethics, and that's why so many people (perhaps most people in the world) question the labeling of Islam as a religion.
Go talk to a moderator and have my post deleted then
Yes, in their part of the world it is ethical to do such things.
You don't get to decide what is ethical and what isn't.
I am not being ridiculous, morality is subjective, deal with that.
Only person i ever heard come up with this nonsense is you.
Can't read the green crap or most colors, dyslexia makes that difficult, so if you want to communicate with me do it in black and white please.
I would suggest millions of people around the world are not clear on the meaning of the word religion.
Should we use your understanding of this issue then...there are literally no religions in the world.
Have even Read the Christian Bibles?
Man this its a convoluted mess. I really can't make heads or trails of it. Do you get what he is saying?
My dyslexia makes it extremely difficult to read the colored text. Being that my computer screens are all yellow (yellow paper or yellow glasses help me read) red shows up but the green doesn't.
In a nutshell, his point seems to be that Islam is not a religion because there are unethical aspects in the Qu'ran.
Basically, he has decided to use these as a reason to designate those of a Muslim bent as evil, while ignoring the same ethical questions concerning all other religions.
Protectionist, et al,
This is an interesting question and point of view.
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Is "Islam" a religion? Yes. The question is, whether the Religion of Islam, is beneficial to man and the development of the species? Some would say, clearly not!
Most Respectfully,
R
This is an interesting question and point of view.
NOTE: First, let me apologize for the tardy response. I had not anticipated how long it would take me to digest your introductory comment.
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(NOTESIslam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims said:
- conviction
- not a religion of peace
- unbounded hatred
- intolerant
- deviate from its doctrine
- The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
(COMMENT)Defining Religion said:
First, to hold a firmly held belief or opinion on the supernational and the character of a Supreme Being (SB), good, bad or indifferent (as maybe socially defined by your locality) is a "religion." I firmly believe in the SB that takes the form of the "Stay Puff Marshmallow Man" (of Ghost Busters fame), and my sacrement is a "Luxurious French Vanilla Cappuccino." Although the religion may be small, and not generally recognized, it is a firmly held conviction. The conviction (good, bad or indifferent) may be anything, and it may evolve over time, but the conviction is a requirement.
Second: If my new religion advocates war on those heretics over at "Starbucks," is that so different than the French Wars of Religion (1562–1598), or the Scottish Reformation to break free from Rome (1560).
Third: The idea of unbounded hatred is a human concept, much like the mid-20th Century German and the Jewish population; or that of the Pol Pot Regime. Hatred is not limited to religious values.
Fourth: Whether we speak of the Inquisition, or the or the Sunni-Shi'ite dispute, the concept of "intolerance" is a human construct to further power and influence, and dates back to before the Pharaoh Akhenaten and his attempt at monotheism.
Fifth: The idea of a "deviate from its doctrine" exactly describes the split during the Reformation and the creation of the Church of England. It as well does not make a Religious Belief invalid.
Second: If my new religion advocates war on those heretics over at "Starbucks," is that so different than the French Wars of Religion (1562–1598), or the Scottish Reformation to break free from Rome (1560).
Third: The idea of unbounded hatred is a human concept, much like the mid-20th Century German and the Jewish population; or that of the Pol Pot Regime. Hatred is not limited to religious values.
Fourth: Whether we speak of the Inquisition, or the or the Sunni-Shi'ite dispute, the concept of "intolerance" is a human construct to further power and influence, and dates back to before the Pharaoh Akhenaten and his attempt at monotheism.
Fifth: The idea of a "deviate from its doctrine" exactly describes the split during the Reformation and the creation of the Church of England. It as well does not make a Religious Belief invalid.
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Is "Islam" a religion? Yes. The question is, whether the Religion of Islam, is beneficial to man and the development of the species? Some would say, clearly not!
Most Respectfully,
R
What NONSENSE! What in the world are you thinking ?
NO, it is NOT ethical IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD to kill by genocide, to enslave, to beat wives, to oppress women severely, to molest children. Morality most certainly is NOT SUBJECTIVE. You call these CRIMES subjective ? You talk like an insane person. Only person you heard, huh ? LOL.. You must not have heard many people. Absolutely NOBODY would have the idiocy or gall to call murder, wife-beating, pedophilia, etc "subjective"
Pheeeeeeeeewww !!! (high-pitched whistle)
I don't know where you live, but if it's anywhere in the USA, you might want to get on a plane out of here QUICK.
I have enough knowledge of it to know that it does not contain the IMMORAL (and ILLEGAL under US laws) that the Koran contains. And as I've said before (are you all PAYING ATTENTION ?), a book (the New Testament) isn't Christianity. Jesus Christ and his words are. Get it ?
No, I have not decided to use anything. You get a lot of things wrong, don't you ? Maybe you ought to slow down, and not talk so fast.
And there are no ethical questions like Islam has, in Christianity. NONE.
And you haven't shown any.
Protectionist, et al,
This is an interesting question and point of view.NOTE: First, let me apologize for the tardy response. I had not anticipated how long it would take me to digest your introductory comment.(EXAMPLE)
(NOTES
Definition:
- conviction
- not a religion of peace
- unbounded hatred
- intolerant
- deviate from its doctrine
- The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
(COMMENT)First, to hold a firmly held belief or opinion on the supernational and the character of a Supreme Being (SB), good, bad or indifferent (as maybe socially defined by your locality) is a "religion." I firmly believe in the SB that takes the form of the "Stay Puff Marshmallow Man" (of Ghost Busters fame), and my sacrement is a "Luxurious French Vanilla Cappuccino." Although the religion may be small, and not generally recognized, it is a firmly held conviction. The conviction (good, bad or indifferent) may be anything, and it may evolve over time, but the conviction is a requirement.(ANSWER)
Second: If my new religion advocates war on those heretics over at "Starbucks," is that so different than the French Wars of Religion (1562–1598), or the Scottish Reformation to break free from Rome (1560).
Third: The idea of unbounded hatred is a human concept, much like the mid-20th Century German and the Jewish population; or that of the Pol Pot Regime. Hatred is not limited to religious values.
Fourth: Whether we speak of the Inquisition, or the or the Sunni-Shi'ite dispute, the concept of "intolerance" is a human construct to further power and influence, and dates back to before the Pharaoh Akhenaten and his attempt at monotheism.
Fifth: The idea of a "deviate from its doctrine" exactly describes the split during the Reformation and the creation of the Church of England. It as well does not make a Religious Belief invalid.
Is "Islam" a religion? Yes. The question is, whether the Religion of Islam, is beneficial to man and the development of the species? Some would say, clearly not!
Most Respectfully,
R
But it appears to NOT be a religion as defined by this dictionary (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed.) which stipulates a code of ethics in the definition. And millions of people do agree with this. Probably billions over the past 1400 years. So what it seems to all come down to is which definition (among quite a few) one references.
Protectionist, et al,
This is but one definition and one interpretation of the definition.
Islam has a "Code of Ethics," several. It is just that the Islamic Ethics are not generally the same as Christian Ethics.
While there may be millions of people that attempt to apply a thumbnail definition of "Religion" and work backwards to analyze "Islam;" it is a flawed concept.
Most Respectfully,
R
This is but one definition and one interpretation of the definition.
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Islam has a "Code of Ethics," several. It is just that the Islamic Ethics are not generally the same as Christian Ethics.
- http://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-ethics-for-muslim-men-and-women/
- http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/ethics.html
The mistake is attempting to reconstruct a definition from a category definition. It is generally accepted that Islam is a religion.is·lam / isˈläm / said:
4 Islamic philosophy and the Islamic sciences said:
While there may be millions of people that attempt to apply a thumbnail definition of "Religion" and work backwards to analyze "Islam;" it is a flawed concept.
1. The fundamental texts said:
Most Respectfully,
R
Crime is only crime if it is against the law.
Morality is subjective absolutely, any code of ethics based on it is subjective.
Your personal comments really kind of hint at your inability to accept that.
morality is subjective, and any code of ethics based on the morality is subjective also.
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