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1. I criticize the US government for supporting them quite a lot.
http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3571
http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3567
http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3569
2. Modern crusader ? You could say that. Crusader being equivalent to "protectionist" (one who protects).
3. And native Americans ? I AM one (having been born here in America).
Oh you mean American Indians ? Yeah, so what about them ?
Not borders. IS. Thank you for telling her. And I notice her apology went to you. Shouldn't it have been to me ? :giggle: No problem.
yes what about them????
what happened to them ?
where are they now ?
we never killed hundreds thousands of civillians during manzikert battle which opened the doors of anatolia to us! you understand what l mean!
and there wasnt any state called " armenia ,bulgaria kosova etc in this region when we took the control of anatolia!
one must never attack the other nations without looking back at his own nation'scrimes!
you get it!!!!!!
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They were systematically exterminated. American history is bloody and genocidal but unlike most other nations with similar histories (in modern times, the Middle Ages just plan sucked for everyone) we actually won. You know what they say about victors and history and so Germany get demonized for generations while America gets the faces of it's conquering heroes carved into the Black Hills (taken from 1 of the after mentioned exterminated populations but at least they sort of deserved it).
FALSE! To say "They were systematically exterminated" present 2 false conclusions. That they were exterminated, and that this was "systematic".
1. the killing of American Indians by White soldiers and settlers was no worse than the killing of Indians by rival Indian tribes, which had gone on for hundreds of years before a White face ever appeared in the western hemisphere.
2. By a wide margin, encounters between Whites and AIs were peaceful, and involved trading, sharing, education, and even intermarriage on a large scale. Sure there were bad one s too, but these have always been overplayed due to the dime store novels which made their publishers rich by sensationalizing the bad stuff, while finding that the peaceful stories jst didn't sell. As a result the folks back east who bought these cheap but exciting books got a distorted perception of the midwest and west, which has lingered on.
3. By far, European diseases (AIs had no immunity or cures for) especially smallpox was the cause of most AI death, and this was generally incidental, not systematic.
See post # 187, and note that there is no comparison whatsoever between the unfortunate deaths of American Indians at the hand of European Whites or Indian tribe against Indian tribe, and the 270 million people killed by Muslims for 1400 years. And for as many AIs who were killed (not always unjustly), there have been that many or more AIs who have been helped by the US govt.
If you want to focus on US crimes, Vietnam would be a better example than American Indians, but even then, there was a lot of resistance among the American people to the wrongs of Vietnam which were perpetrated by a very small minority of Americans in high levels of the govt.
Many Americans fought hard against injustices being carried out. During the 80s, when Reagan was funding the Contras in Nicaragua, one guy got his feet cut off by a weapons train, in a protest against that.
You can come off your high horse now (meaning bold print and multiple exclamation marks)
FALSE! To say "They were systematically exterminated" present 2 false conclusions. That they were exterminated, and that this was "systematic".
And yet Hawai'i is the only native nation to survive intact.
1. the killing of American Indians by White soldiers and settlers was no worse than the killing of Indians by rival Indian tribes, which had gone on for hundreds of years before a White face ever appeared in the western hemisphere.
I made not of that.
2. By a wide margin, encounters between Whites and AIs were peaceful, and involved trading, sharing, education, and even intermarriage on a large scale. Sure there were bad one s too, but these have always been overplayed due to the dime store novels which made their publishers rich by sensationalizing the bad stuff, while finding that the peaceful stories jst didn't sell. As a result the folks back east who bought these cheap but exciting books got a distorted perception of the midwest and west, which has lingered on.
And yet they were systematically rounded up and death marched to what amounted to death camps with little water, no arable land and no shelter.
3. By far, European diseases (AIs had no immunity or cures for) especially smallpox was the cause of most AI death, and this was generally incidental, not systematic.
We gave them blankets for the cold... Laced with small pox.
You've really bought into the propaganda, haven't you?
"We" did that, did "we" ? Maybe YOU did. I didn't. And I don't know who, or how many people did that, and neither do you (do you ?)
I think YOU have bought into the propaganda. What I said in Post # 187 , remains INTACT >>> 100%.
So you deny what Americans have done just because it was before your time but blame Muslims for conquering the Romans? There's a word for people like you...
1. And the word is ?
2. "Americans" ? LOL.. Yeah ? And how many "Americans" (3? 5? 11?) And which ones ?
You got their names ? You got their dates ? You got their locations ? You got anything ?
"Muslims" ? LOL.. Yeah ? And how many "Muslims" (3? 5? 11?) And which ones ?
You got their names ? You got their dates ? You got their locations ? You got anything ?
Yeah, of course, I've got their names, their dates, their locations, and the number of people they killed (over 270 million people-120 million Africans, 80 million Hindus, 60 Million Christians, and 10 Million Buddhists)
The text answer is way too llong for what this forum permits, so I will spread the answer out into 3 or 4 posts.
Did you think for one second that I did NOT have that information ? Maybe you missed the post where I said that I have studied this subject for 12 years in 25 well-researched books (and their thousands of footnotes) Of course I know all those things. It's world history, (however in many schools, and in their textbooks, this history is altered so as to favor Islam)
There's way too much to ever answer this at once here (it would take a few whole books), but here's a sample in outline:
Basra attacked/conquered - 634 AD
Damascus attacked/conquered - 635 AD
Ctesiphon attacked/conquered - 636 AD
Alexandria attacked/conquered - 641 AD
Sicily attacked/conquered - 666 AD
Kabul attacked/conquered - 670 AD
Jerusalem attacked/conquered - 687 AD
Carthage attacked/conquered - 698 AD
Southern Spain attacked/conquered - 711 AD
Narbonne (Southern France) attacked/conquered - 720 AD
Battle of Poitiers (France) - Muslim advance halted - 732 AD
Armenia attacked/conquered - 1064 AD
Battle of Manzikert - 1071 AD
Nicaea attacked/conquered - 1331 AD
Kosovo attacked/conquered - 1389 AD
Bulgaria attacked/conquered - 1393 AD
Constantinople attacked - 1453 AD
Greece attacked/conquered - 1460 AD
Belgrade attacked/conquered - 1521 AD
Siege of Vienna (attacked) - Muslim advance halted - 1683 AD
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ANSWER to Post # 193 Continued:
And did you ask for names ? Here's some associated with stealth jihad.
Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Abdullah Azzam, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, William Taylor, Youssef Aboul-Enein, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales, Donald Lavey, Sibel Dinez Edmonds, Khalid Duran, Muhammad Hishm Kabbani, Ali Ahmed, Agha Jafri, Michael Rolince, John M. Cole, Dr. Ziad Asali, James Margolin, Foria Younis, John B. Vincent, John O'Neill, Ivien C. Smith, Salam al-Marayati, Tom Reynolds, Khaled Saffuri, Agha Saeed, Mohammed al-Hanooti, Sue VanBaalen, Sister Sue, Michael Scheuer, Michael Waller, David Forte, Sheikh Mamza Yusuf, Ihsan Bagby, Abd al-Rahman al-Rashed, Serge Trifkovic, Irshad Manji, Imam Mohamad Adam el-Sheikh, Yvonne Haddad, Warith Deen Umar, Taha al-Alwani, Ali al-Timimi, J.M. Rodwell, Dr. Ali Sina, John Esposito, Karen Armstrong, Saad al-Sharani, Suleiman Alwan, Farid Esack, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, Ali Abd al Rahman al-Faqasi al-Ghamdi, Saul al-Rashid, Abderraouf Jdey, Faruq al-Tunisi, Adam Gadahn, Andre Carson, Issa al-Britani, Aafia Siddiqui, Kamran Akhtar, Gary Harter, Iyman Faris, Hesham Hadayet, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, Anwar al-Awlaki, Pamela L. Rhames, Michael S. Tutko, David C. Kane, Nick Pindulic, Suzanne E. Spaulding, Sen. Patrick Leahy, Sen. John Kyl, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, Bill Baker, Rep. David Bonior, Rep. John Conyers, Rep. John Dingell, Robert M. Blitzer, Louis Freeh, Thomas Pickard, Carol Motyka, Marsha Parrish, Yola Haber, Doug Balin, Rep. Anthony Weiner, Roderick L. Beverly, Caroline Glick, Shelomo Alfassa, Hadia Roberts, Margaret Gulotta, Emanuel "Manny" Johnson Jr.
Source: original Protectionist Islamization Quiz, taken from various protectionist books
Wow....thats an impressive data stream:
Sorry...this one is not as impressive. We managed to decimate them in a much shorter period of time.
- 1 Effects on indigenous populations
- 2 Colonial period
- 3 East of the Mississippi (1775–1842)
- 4 West of the Mississippi (1811–1924)
Sorry...this one is not as impressive. We managed to decimate them in a much shorter period of time.
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And Muslim conquerers: no shortage of them:
600s
Husayn ibn Ali(Sha'aban 4 AH – 10th Muharram 61 AH; 8 January 626 CE – 10 October 680 CE) Was The son of Ali Ibni Talib and the grandson of Muhammad who fought tyranny as he refused to pledge allegiance to Yazid.On 10 October 680 (Muharram 10, 61 AH), he and his small group of his followers and family members, who were between 72 or more, fought with a large army. Husayn and all of his men were killed and beheaded.
Abbas ibn Ali- The son of Ali Ibni Talib (ra)
Musa bin Nusair, (640-716). An Umayyad governor and general in North Africa.
Al-Hajjaj bin Yousef, (661-714). Umayyad administrator of Iraq.
Muhammad bin Qasim, (695-715). An early Arab General who captured Sindh in Pakistan.
Nusaybah Bint k’ab Al Maziniyyah. Female fighter who fought at the Battle of Uhud with the army of Muhammad after converting to Islam.
Umar II, Umayyad Caliph
700s
Tariq ibn-Ziyad, (d. 720) . An Umayyad Amazigh general, who swept Hispania with Muslim army.
Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi [Founder of Muslim Dynasty in Spain]
Zaid ibn Ali - Arab, fought the Banu Umayyad
Muhammad ibn Qasim captured Sind and Multan in Pakistan
Isma'il ibn Jafar - Arab, fought the Banu Umayyad
Qutaibah bin Muslim
800s
Abu 'Abdullah al-Shi'i, an Ismaili Da'i and a soldier, built a Katama Berbers army and helped found Fatimid Caliphate in North Africa.
900s
Mahmud of Ghazni, (971—1030). Ruler of Ghazni.
Jawhar as-Siqilli, commander of Fatimid forces. Founded Cairo and built Al-Azhar Mosque.
1000s
Avicenna
Alp Arslan
Togrul, Founder of the Seljuq Dynasty
1100s
Saladin and Guy of Lusignan after Battle of Hattin
Muhammad of Ghor
Zengi
Muḥammad Shahābuddīn Ghorī
Nur ad-Din Zangi, (1118–1174). A Syrian ruler and military leader who fought in the Crusades.
Saif ad-Din Ghazi I, Muslim leader during crusades
Salahuddin - 1138 to March 4, 1193, (known as Saladin in English), Kurd, Crusades
Shirkuh, Muslim Kurd leader during crusades
1200s
Iltutmish
Qutb-ud-din Aybak built the Qutub Minar
Razia Sultana, Indian princess
Mu'in ad-Din Unur
Al-Kamil Sunni Kurd leader
Baibars, fought with Crusaders and Mongols
Saif ad-Din Qutuz, fought with Crusaders and Mongols
Qalawun, fought with Crusaders
Khalil
Ghiyas ud din Balban
Ala ud din Khilji, Indian king who fought with the Mongols
Uthman I, Founder of the Ottoman Dynasty
Berke Khan, Fought with Mongols
Aybak, Founder of the Mamluk Dynasty
Saif ad-Din Qutuz
1300s
Tamerlane (1370,1405). Conqueror and founder of the Timurid dynasty.
Ala ud din Khilji
Bayezid I Victor of Battle of Nicopolis
Zheng He (1371–1433) Chinese mariner, explorer, and fleet admiral
1400s
'''*Hayreddin Barbarossa (1475–1546). Ottoman Admiral......
Zahiruddin Babur Conqueror and founder of the powerful Mughal Empire
Selim I
Mehmed II also known as Mehmed the Conqueror
Sharifa Fatima. Female Zaidi chieftain of Yemen who conquered Sana'a.
1500s
Suleiman with army
Humayun (Mughal King)
Akbar (Mughal King)At the end of his reign in, Mughal empire covered most of India.
Sayyed Mahmud Khan Commander in chief of the Mughal Empire.
Sher Shah Sur Founder the short-lived Sur Dynasty.
Tahmasp I Ensured the survival of the Saffavids of Persia.
Suleiman the Magnificent
Jehangir Real name Prince Salim
1600s
Shah Jahan Ruler of the Mughal Empire 1628 - 1658
Aurangzeb 6th Mughal Emperor whose reign lasted from 1658 until his death in 1707.
Khushal Khan Khattak (1613–1689) The Tribal Chief of Khattak Tribe,A prominent Pashtun poet, warrior.He was a renowned military fighter Who rebelled against Mughals.In one Battle he lead the Pashtun Tribes Khattak, Afridi and mohmand and fought against Mughal army in which Mughal king Aurangzeb set out with a large force which resulted in their defeat with reported loss of 40,000 mughal soldiers.
1700s
Hyder Ali - (1722–1782).
Imam Shamil, (1797–1871). An Avar (modern day Dagestan) who is considered both a political and religious leader for Chechens, Dagestanis, and Circassians.
Tipu Sultan. (1750–1799).also known as the Tiger of Mysore, was the ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore.He Fought Against British Empire and emprassed martyrdom in Seringapatam in 4 May 1799.
Syed Ahmad Shaheed Great Muslim of the sub-continent(Pak-India-Bangladesh)
Shah Ismail Shaheed
1800s
Diponegoro. (1785-1855). A Javanese prince who opposed the Dutch colonial rule, during Java War (1825-1830)
Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi. (1797–1861). Most remembered for his role as a freedom fighter.
Abd al-Qādir al-Jazā'irī. (1808–1883). Algerian militant against the French occupation.
Mir Masjidi Khan (died 1841) Afghan resistance leader, during First Anglo-Afghan War
Bakht Khan, Indian Muslim commander during Indian war of independence
Husein Gradaščević, leader of Great Bosnian uprising
Muhammad Ahmad, (1844–1885). a Muslim religious leader and militant in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan.
Omar Mukhtar, (1862–1931).
Nadir Shah, (aka Nadir Qoli Beg and Tahmasp-Qoli Khan). (1688–1747). A Shah of Iran and a military leader.
Bai Chongxi, (1893–1966). A Chinese General of the Republic of China (ROC).
Muhammad Ibn 'Abd al-Karim al-Khattabi, (1882–1963). Berber leader fighting against the French and Spanish occupations in Northern Morocco.
Hakim Ajmal Khan
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad
Begum Hazrat Mahal, Indian Queen who fought for independence from the British
Syed Ahmad Shaheed Great Muslim of sub-Continent (Pak-India-Bangladesh)
Shah Ismail Shaheed ( 1779–1831) A great scholar of Islam and a warrior in the jihad proclaimed by Syed Ahmed Shaheed against the Sikhs kingdom in punjab in 19th century.
Ma Zhan'ao, (1830–1886) Chinese Muslim Qing dynasty General
Ma Anliang, (1855–1920) Chinese Muslim Qing dynastyGeneral, then Republic of General
Ma Guoliang, Chinese Muslim Qing dynasty General
Dong Fuxiang, (1839–1908) Chinese Muslim Qing dynasty General
Ma Qianling, (1824－1909) Chinese Muslim Qing dynasty General
Ma Zhanshan, (1885–1950) Chinese Muslim Republic of China General
1900s
Faqir of Ipi-(born 1897, died 1960) Faqir of Ipi born Mirza Ali Khan was a Pashtun from today's North-Waziristan Pakistan, Federally Administrated Tribal Areas.The village of Ipi is located near Mirali Camp in North Waziristan Agency, Waziristan, from where the Faqir of Ipi started his guerrilla warfare against the British Empire throughout the 1930s and 1940s until the British departure in 1947.When he died in 1960, The Times of 20 April described him as "a doughty and honourable opponent... a man of principle and saintliness... a redoubtable organizer of tribal warfare....".The British also called him An Original Insurgent.
Karnal Sher Khan (1970–1999) -A Brave Pashtun Soldier Of Pakistan Army and one of only 10 recipients of Pakistan's highest gallantry award, the Nishan-e-Haider for his actions during the Kargil Conflict with India in 1999.
Muhammad Ataul Ghani Osmani, is a Commander-in-Chief of the Bangladesh Armed Forces and led the Mukti Bahini during the Bangladesh Liberation War
Shamim Alam Khan, General, 1938-, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of Pakistan
Sudirman, (1916–1950)
Abdul Haris Nasution
Jamal Abdel Nasser
King Abdulaziz bin Abdulrahman Al Saud - Founder of modern Saudi Arabia
Noor Inayat Khan, intelligence operative for the British in WWII
Mohiuddin Jahangir, recipient of Bir Sreshtho
Raja Aziz Bhatti, recipient of Nishan-e-Haider (A brave Soldier of Pakistan martyred in the Pak-Indo war 1965)
Major Tufail Muhammad Shaheed, recipient of Nishan-e-Haider
Captain Muhammad Sarwar Shaheed, recipient of Nishan-e-Haider.
Khaled Mosharraf, leading Sector Commander during the Bangladesh Liberation War
K M Shafiullah, Chief of Army Staff of the Bangladesh Army
Nur Khan, Commander-in-Chief of the Pakistan Air Force
A. K. Khandker, first Chief of Staff of the Bangladesh Air Force
Muhammad Mahmood Alam, air commodore of the Pakistan Air Force
Hamidur Rahman, recipient of Bir Sreshtho
Ahmed Shah Massoud
Ayub Khan Military ruler of Pakistani Government.
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni
Hasan Salama
Saad El Shazly, Egyptian Chief of Staff during the Yom Kippur War
Abdullah el Tell, Jordanian Military Governor of Jerusalem 1948.
Ahmad Ismail Ali, Commander-in-Chief of Egypt's army during the Yom Kippur War
Abdel Ghani el-Gamasy, Director of operations for all forces participating in the 1973 Yom Kippur War
Abdul Munim Riad, Chief of Staff of the Egyptian Armed Forces
Mohammed Aly Fahmy, Commander of the Egyptian Air Defense Command during the Yom Kippur War
Abdul Munim Wassel, Commander of the Egyptian 3rd Army during the Yom Kippur War
Abd-Al-Minaam Khaleel, Commander of the Egyptian 2nd Army during the Yom Kippur War
Abdul Hamid, Indian soldier
Atif Dudaković, general of Bosnia-Herzegovina Army
Afsir Karim, Major General of the Indian Army,
Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, the "Mullah" who fought imperialism in Somalia
Major Ziaur Rahman, Sector Commander, Chief Commander of "Z" Force in 1971 Bangladesh Liberation war
Unclassified
Ali Sadikin
Sukarno
Tahir ibn Husayn
Muammar Gaddafi
Bhavesh Dave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_military_leaders
I don't understand what you're "sorry" about. Clarify ?
Also, from your source, we see >> " Scholars believe that the main causes of were new infectious diseases carried by Europeans explorers and traders. Native Americans had no acquired immunity to such diseases, which had been chronic in Eurasian populations for centuries.[4] For instance, some estimates indicate case fatality rates of 80–90% in Native American populations during smallpox epidemics.[5]
Exactly as I said. Incidental, not deliberate (as in the case of Muslim conquest)
Also >> your source says >> "According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census (1894), "The Indian wars under the government of the United States have been more than 40 in number. They have cost the lives of about 19,000 white men, women and children, including those killed in individual combats, and the lives of about 30,000 Indians."[6]
30,000 ? Not much - compared to 270 Million. ( and we don't even really know who the good guys or bad guys were, in every case, in these wars. Remember, Indians were not adverse to doing some attacking themselves. They warred for centuries against other Indian tribes before Whites ever came here.
And it is FALSE to say we "decimated" them. Generally, they fell prey to an unfortunate circumstance about infectious immunity.
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white man killed them..but turks never killed any civillian during manzikert battle !
thats why many armenians kurds greeks claim right to anatolia!
they still live!
you are smart enough to see my point
white man killed them..but turks never killed any civillian during manzikert battle !
thats why many armenians kurds greeks claim right to anatolia!
they still live!
you are smart enough to see my point
You're talking to a guy who points to a millenium and a half worth of war and yells genocide. Don't wast your time.
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