Is it ok to ignore religion in some areas?

Dec 2012
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Agreed, religion is by definition a personal choice...and just as your personal choices in most areas of the way you live your life are not public business, neither is your choice of a "God". In my opinion, those who try to push a form in public...actually accomplish the opposite of "Spreading the Word".

yes teco , people have free will and we are not supposed to believe in god being forced by the others.
 
Dec 2012
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Human rights should always be valued over someone's religious beliefs. Not everyone believes in religion, much less has the same opinions as anyone else. Human rights? I'm ashamed of any human who doesn't support them.

That being said, it's not even concrete that homosexuality is against any religion. It's all up to interpretation! I personally believe that, if there is a God, he's all-loving. Why would he discriminate against one specific group of people? He made them this way.

You can't even cite the Bible against this, unless you live up to every aspect of it. Do you cut your hair? If so, you're picking and choosing on which bits of this holy book are true.
 
Jan 2013
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I don't think that it is possible to simply "ignore" religion or a religious view. Especially not in a country as diverse as the United States. I think that, as long as you are not inflicting physical harm upon another person, you should be allowed to do as you please. Generally when it comes to a subject as sensitive as gays or lesbians most people--like myself--couldn't care one way or another. I have good friends who are gay and they are excellent friends. I've learned a lot about the LGBT culture from them. We don't see eye to eye on religion but we have found a way to set those differences aside for the sake of friendship. I don't see why that can't be done on a larger scale.
 
Jun 2012
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Human rights should always be valued over someone's religious beliefs. Not everyone believes in religion, much less has the same opinions as anyone else. Human rights? I'm ashamed of any human who doesn't support them.

That being said, it's not even concrete that homosexuality is against any religion. It's all up to interpretation! I personally believe that, if there is a God, he's all-loving. Why would he discriminate against one specific group of people? He made them this way.

You can't even cite the Bible against this, unless you live up to every aspect of it. Do you cut your hair? If so, you're picking and choosing on which bits of this holy book are true.

Religious people do value Human rights. Why is it not concrete to believe Homosexuality is a sin?

God does not discriminate against any person that I know of. He say we are all sinners it is a matter of coming to accept that and trying to live our lives with him guiding us.

The bible states that homosexuality is a sin not once but several times I believe at least once in the Old testament though it may be twice. And once that I know of in the New Testament.

You can site the Bible for this it is easy

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Here is one passage that tells us it is a sin. Here is yet another passage that tells us that Homosexuality is a sin.

Leviticus 20:13
13 And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Here is the passage in the New testament that states it is a sin.

1 Corinthians 9-11
9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

This also states homosexuality is a sin. Another passage in the bible that states it is a sin.

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.

All these passage say it is a sin. Christians can't pick and choose what is true and false a true Christian believes the entire bible is true. There is no this is true yet this can't be then you are not a true Christian. Faith drives you to believe the entire Bible is true.

Now as far as Homosexuality goes back up your guns there a little because I can tell you have little knowledge of the bible.

The New Testament changed every thing for Christians and Jews a like. We no longer have to live in the old ways of the Old Testament. Christ Sacrifice on the cross change that for us.

Though it is a sin in God's eyes to lay with a man we as Christians are not to pass judgement on them for what they do. Judgement is for God alone to make if we pass judgement on them we are no better then the person committing the sin. This goes for Homosexuality, Stealing, Murder a whole bunch of stuff.

I have homosexual friends they know my stance I know theirs I don't judge them because they will answer at some point to a higher power then me. I can only tell them if they so choose to hear and want to listen that it is wrong. Though if they don't want to then I don't.

Just because I don't agree with a lifestyle does not mean I won't like a person. I have many friends that do many different things I don't agree with. They know where I stand that is all I can do.

So really there is no picking and choosing what is true and what is not in the Bible it is all true if you are a true Christian.
 
Jan 2012
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Religious people do value Human rights. Why is it not concrete to believe Homosexuality is a sin?

God does not discriminate against any person that I know of. He say we are all sinners it is a matter of coming to accept that and trying to live our lives with him guiding us.

The bible states that homosexuality is a sin not once but several times I believe at least once in the Old testament though it may be twice. And once that I know of in the New Testament.

You can site the Bible for this it is easy



Here is one passage that tells us it is a sin. Here is yet another passage that tells us that Homosexuality is a sin.



Here is the passage in the New testament that states it is a sin.



This also states homosexuality is a sin. Another passage in the bible that states it is a sin.



All these passage say it is a sin. Christians can't pick and choose what is true and false a true Christian believes the entire bible is true. There is no this is true yet this can't be then you are not a true Christian. Faith drives you to believe the entire Bible is true.

Now as far as Homosexuality goes back up your guns there a little because I can tell you have little knowledge of the bible.

The New Testament changed every thing for Christians and Jews a like. We no longer have to live in the old ways of the Old Testament. Christ Sacrifice on the cross change that for us.

Though it is a sin in God's eyes to lay with a man we as Christians are not to pass judgement on them for what they do. Judgement is for God alone to make if we pass judgement on them we are no better then the person committing the sin. This goes for Homosexuality, Stealing, Murder a whole bunch of stuff.

I have homosexual friends they know my stance I know theirs I don't judge them because they will answer at some point to a higher power then me. I can only tell them if they so choose to hear and want to listen that it is wrong. Though if they don't want to then I don't.

Just because I don't agree with a lifestyle does not mean I won't like a person. I have many friends that do many different things I don't agree with. They know where I stand that is all I can do.

So really there is no picking and choosing what is true and what is not in the Bible it is all true if you are a true Christian.

I am a Christian but I have a fundamental disagreement with you. I think the Bible was written by man not God, and it is not necessarily the word poof God. I also don't like to chop out bits of biblical writing because it is taken or of context, normally to suit a personal opinion. That is indeed picking and choosing what is valuable in the Bible.
 
Jun 2012
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I am a Christian but I have a fundamental disagreement with you. I think the Bible was written by man not God, and it is not necessarily the word poof God. I also don't like to chop out bits of biblical writing because it is taken or of context, normally to suit a personal opinion. That is indeed picking and choosing what is valuable in the Bible.

Though the Bible is said to be written by man by the power of the Spirit of God. So if the Spirit dwells in the man who is writing the book it is false because he is a Man? Yet God can achieve whatever he wants correct so don't you think writing a book using men as the tool would be quite easy for him to achieve?

Oh you can go back and read the rest but it is just more of what is consider sinful. I don't like chopping bits out either but what came before and after just was what else was considered sinful. So I am far from taking it out of Context. I actually just debated Protectionist on doing that very thing with the Koran.

Yet you can go back if you like and check my passages and you will see they really are not relevant but I will give it to you.

Romans 1:26-31
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenant- breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:

It just goes on to tell us what those individuals hearts are filled with more or less. I been studying the Bible a long time and taken several courses on it so I would not take anything out of context.

Leviticus 18:22-26
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home- born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you;

Again before and after tell what God see as abominations.

Leviticus 20:10-16
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 And if a man lie with his daughter- in- law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13 And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Again goes into what God see as Sinful and an Abomination to him. So I took nothing out of context. You are not talking to a rookie here.
 
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