JFK assassination and the CIA

7forever · Mar 29, 2011

It's hard to imagine a better comparable to the Kennedy forehead shot. You can see the bullet smoke when it strikes his face which is mirrored by the nix gif showing the bullet strike his right forehead consistent with my work placing the entrance over the right eye and logically exiting the right rear, supported by 40 witnesses including Greer and Jackie Kennedy.

7forever · Mar 29, 2011

You can literally see skull detaching from his rear skull. Also, notice as his goes back you can see the white lane through the back of his head.LOL

7forever · Mar 31, 2011

Kellerman moved his head forward, backward and forward again in the space of 1 second (frames 296-314) in an attempt to block the gun's view from the north side of elm street and after to look like he's ducking bullets. Watch him look to his left towards Greer's chest. He was following the movement of the gun and Greer's arm. When Greer turned the second time, the gun was near his right collarbone, so all he did was push it up, over and shoot jfk directly in the forehead. Kellerman even throws his hand up to signal, it's time to shoot jfk. That is how ridiculously obvious it is. Minor things like that are normally ignored or written off as anomalies.

Watch the fake reflection recoil and separate from Roy's head.

7forever · Apr 2, 2011

With this old copy you can see the cartoon gun, arm and hand form perfectly before the fake reflection jolts backward in perfect unison with the headshot.

7forever · Apr 2, 2011

Stone2065 said:
I don't have the video editing skills that you folks do, however, I do have an understanding of video, and 1963 Lincolns. I think I finally see what you think is an arm of the driver, and no, sorry, it's the upper part of the driver's door. Plus, the top of the passenger's head, with the grease, is of course going to move some... there was a high powered rifle shot just shot in his general direction, and just as a final thought, you do understand that this film, even when new, was approximately 7.5mp resolution for still pictures, right? Not counting "Z's" movement during the shooting? Plus the low frame rate doesn't help matters at all.
Not trying to sound trollish, just saying is all. No offense to anyone.

Greer's left arm crosses over in the nix film which completely destroys any hope that this idiotic cover-up could continue on indefinitely. The arm is fake in Zapruder because it crosses in nix and muchmore.

Advance to 1:09 and see for yourself where this gif came from.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

7forever · Apr 3, 2011

Dealing with Denialists in a blizzard of visual facts

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Greer passes the gun starting at frame 242 with both his hands off the wheel at frame 241. The last frame you see the fitted gun is 278 and then the film pans upward with zero evidence his left hand ever returned to the wheel. We know it didn't because he killed Kennedy and his left arm crosses his right shoulder in nix proving that as factual. The hand popping off the wheel at 304 is 100 percent fake and that you are denying. So, instead of admitting that Greer killed jfk you are gonna leave? Why not just admit this obvious fact? You are simply stating the same old denials that are now totally invalid. The only thing you can do is continue denying reality or admit that Greer killed Kennedy and the zfilm was heavily altered to hide that fact.

Frame 241 shows both hands off the wheel just before he passes gun..

Greer passes the gun to his left hand.

Greer passes gun; his left hand goes missing because they panned upward during the frames which Greer transferred the gun from the lower position to near his shoulder before he turned the second time to shoot jfk.

The gun in Greer's hand was near his right collarbone when he turned to shoot kennedy. He simply pushed it up, over and shot jfk in the right forehead with the bullet logically exiting the right rear, totally consistent with the evidence and correct wound path.

7forever · Apr 4, 2011

sylph said:
Not actually against your theory but at least give us a motive for each person in the car to make it more interesting.....
Jackie would have wanted him dead for publically humiliating him with his tarts....
the others...paid off perhaps?
Then there's the mafia, the CIA and everyone else that wanted him dead....so not much of a conspiracy.
But if it was done openly in public like this, my point is, surely it would have been a spur of the moment murder...because otherwise it is the most ridiculous assassination idea ever.....in an open top car, get the passenger to kill him and the rest of us say it was a shooter in the hills.....but what about the crowds that will see it?
So yes, I get what you are saying, you think it was someone in the car...I get that. But why? What motive? And was it spur of the moment or deliberately planned?
Even if you don't know - just give me your theory, that's all I was asking...

Jackie wasn't look at him, so she didn't see Greer shoot although she may have realized it but who knows. Connally saw Greer shoot jfk and took it to his grave. They didn't say anything because it was a massive cover-up. Just imagine the governor of TX going against the media and government in the 60's. A complete joke. Of course it was ridiculous and that's the very reason why millions of americans should know about it. So, they can laugh at how retarded government can really be when their arrogance allows such an epic blunder.

Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot Kennedy.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

7forever · Apr 5, 2011

Bulthompsn said:
I stand by my initial research as to the major upper level players.
The inside the car shot in my opinion if accurate does not preclude an accidental discharge of the firearm.
I do not have instant recall at the moment but I seem to remember some vague accusations regarding the upper level people subbing inexperienced guys on the detail.
The shots from behind are a given. Also other shots in the plaza. The truth is always stranger than fiction.
In this scenario they had a "hit" in the back from long range. They had a hit from the front still. Also potentially from the front hitting the Governor. Both he and his wife swore until they day they died that shots came from the front. In the crossfire it would be understandable if the agent driving freaks out and pulls a revolver and attempts a shot to the rear. Ask yourself what would you do if you were in that drivers seat with a weapon at the ready?
Whether intentional or unintentional this scenario is supported by the actions afterward whereby the car is "wiped". If an agent was involved they HAD to cover that up immediately. I should clarify each participant AFTER the fact has no need to be "in on" the murder at all to cover up after the fact with zeal and complicity. Prevention of an open revolution, prevention of WWIII, general career CYA are all the potential unintended consequences if the truth gets out.

Greer shooting Kennedy by accident is a patently absurd theory but really is the only defense if Greer ever took the stand. He would admit to shooting jfk by accident in the commission of shooting back at the assassins and that explains why he lied about even seeing Kennedy let alone saying he turned only once. He died in 85. The buffoon's on the right.

7forever · Apr 6, 2011

yabaw said:
So you cant explain it is the answer you're giving then?
You can't explain how JFK's head defy's physics by lurching forwards when the bullet impact hits. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Name calling and using insults rather than debating the theories are how you want to go about things.

You can't explain how JFK's head 'could' defy physics by lurching forward when the bullet impact hits, then stops and changes direction, violently backwards.LOL You can't explain it because it's not possible and has never happened. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Show us one headshot that shows what you are lying about. Goes forward, stops, then violently backward. You are a pathetic troll with nothing but bullshit. This man's head and body go forward from the shot to the back of the head. If jfk had been shot from the rear he would have went forward. These stupid posts of yours make you an idiot...Congrats.

7forever · Apr 6, 2011

Silver Buck said:
Your 9/11 thread brought me into this forum. The other threads merely amuse me and make me cringe at the bad image they are giving Conspiracy Theorists. CTs already have a tough way to go, we don't need this kind of drivel.

What drivel are you talking about? I know you won't be more specific because you are a troll blowing hot air. The driver's left arm crosses and in that instance jfk is shot in the right forehead. This visual fact completely destroys the delusion that Zapruder is authentic. His left arm is not supposed to be crossing but it does in the nix film and that is something that rapes your delusions clean from your soul. The truth is here and there is nothing anyone toolbag like yourself can do except deny reality and claim authority that you no longer have.

The fake reflections cover the movements of Greer's gun, hand and arm in Zapruder.

7forever · Apr 6, 2011

Silver Buck said:
Wow. Three posts in a row filled with overused pictures. I don't think I can top that.
I declare you the winner. I bow to your superior intellect and grasp of physics and your overwhelming ability to post pics and gifs.
Good day sir.

So much for your false authority. You got your bare ass caned.

7forever · Apr 6, 2011

scarecro said:
belarion said:

Are there any in depth discussions of what appears to be J F K being shot by the driver of the limo, in the Zapruder film?
Does the driver pull a gun (as it appears) to return fire, then think escape a better option?
or does he mistakenly blow Kennedy's head off? this is discussed in one of Bill Cooper's lectures, even giving the agents name .
It just appears to be there if you look at the film.
Then again is there room for more paranoia??
Hell yeah!

Click to expand...

It does appear that the driver does do it, but if you look closely and I did over and over and over and over... you will realize that it is a natural trick of the lighting that makes the reflection look like a gun. It wasn't the driver.

It does appear that the driver does it, and if you look closely and you did over and over and over and over... you realized that Greer's left arm crosses over his right shoulder in nix which explains why the fake reflection was added in Zapruder to cover the movements of Greer's gun which killed Kennedy. Thanks, for playing. It was the driver.

7forever · Apr 7, 2011

Heads said:
Just because people don't believe you, doesn't mean they are a troll.

No matter what any person thought they knew about his case, they now know for certain that Greer killed jfk by learning that the left hand coming off the wheel at frame 304 in Zapruder is fake.
His hand is really by his shoulder in this sequence.

Fake hand starts with two dots.

I am the first researcher on the planet who has proved Zfilm alteration by showing Greer's left arm crossing in nix.

7forever · Apr 7, 2011

The only ss agent who shot back was Greer. He fired the fatal shot.

Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.

Read her testimony. She heard three shots which are identifiable by known and agreed upon shots. The first shot missed. The single bullet myth is 2 shots. There's three right there and Mary's affadavit provides the last two close together. There were at least 5 shots.

7forever · Apr 7, 2011

dutchie said:
Maybe you have a lot of footage which is tampered with by others, but is there any footage that actually SHOWS what you are saying in a more clear way?!? I see only blurry blobs, to be honest.

I used the same footage hundreds of others used and some new stuff like the nix film. Saying the gif files are blurry is an easy way out of not accepting what they clearly show. Trust me, I've posted this no-brainer for the last 15 months on forums and people just deny their eyes. The government altered Greer's arm crossing in Zapruder but left the nix film alone to be discovered some time in the future. The future is here.

7forever · Apr 8, 2011

biggabum said:
How do we know that it wasnt the nix film that was altered?
Also didnt mrs Hill say later in her statement that she thought she heard the shots coming from the grassy knoll? and she saw a man in brown that she assumed to be jack Ruby running away? (to be honest i just flicked through her statement and just picked up on a few bits).
Another question are you saying greer killed kennedy deliberately or accidently?

How do we know the sky isn't green on a sunny day? Because we know it's blue. Greer passing the gun before he turned the first time demonstrates premeditation. They wanted to shoot jfk up close and used Greer to insure success.

7forever · Apr 8, 2011

biggabum said:
How do we know that it wasnt the nix film that was altered?
Also didnt mrs Hill say later in her statement that she thought she heard the shots coming from the grassy knoll? and she saw a man in brown that she assumed to be jack Ruby running away? (to be honest i just flicked through her statement and just picked up on a few bits).
Another question are you saying greer killed kennedy deliberately or accidently?

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm
Jean Hill was confused because there was arguably a shot fired from the knoll after Greer fired to provide a red herring. She never saw a weapon in the man's hand is a reference to the grassy knoll but she saw Greer shoot back because he killed Kennedy and she was looking at him when he shot jfk.

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?
Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down.
Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."
Mr. SPECTER - Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?
Mrs. HILL - Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any conscious impression of where the second shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Any conscious impression of where this third shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.
Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.

7forever · Apr 8, 2011

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Everyone can see, even the Kennedy Kooks that Greer's left arm is swiftly jerking over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. CASE CLOSED, with no challenge from any lone nutter or ct'er like Groden and Marrs. It does NOT matter if 1000 people say a blue sky is black, it will always be blue. Every single person who has seen the NIX gif knows Greer's left arm crosses because it happens.

NO HAND OR ARM AT 304-305. IT'S OBVIOUS AND CONCLUSIVE.

THERE IS NO FAKE ARM ATTACHED TO THE FAKE HAND. That is how obvious and pathetic a cover-up it was and is.

7forever · Apr 9, 2011

treeghost said:
Here's a low resolution gif of the 'gun'...the driver's hand is at the right - you can even see his tie - so HOW can his hand (at the side) be crossing over his chest with a gun?

The gun is a light reflection.

No, you are trolling. Greer passes the gun in Zapruder and his left arm crosses over in Nix. The driver killed Kennedy beyond any and all doubt.

7forever · Apr 9, 2011

treeghost said:
304 isn't the kill shot frame, so what no hand or arm OR GUN.
You know what else? He doesn't have a face on those frames either, very suspicious.

It means everything because it's supposed to be his real hand coming off the wheel but it's an obvious fake. The greatest defense against the driver shooting jfk is now INVALID.

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