Obama proposes bank tax

myp

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For the ones that already payed off their debts? Hell no! That's like paying off a credit card and getting another bill the next month.

But I do agree in the case of banks that haven't payed. This country needs that money and if the banks don't want to repay the taxpayers, I've no issue with the Feds taking it via tax.
The thing is, the banks have paid. The entities that haven't are the ones that aren't going to be taxed- GMAC, GM, Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie, etc.
 
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The thing is, the banks have paid. The entities that haven't are the ones that aren't going to be taxed- GMAC, GM, Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie, etc.
I don't understand. If the banks have repaid their debts - the 1.2-trillion - then aren't we back to zero, so why would Bank taxes be necessary?
 

myp

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Does this then mean that the Government has recovered all of the 1.2-trillion? I have not seen any news reports about that? Is there a source of information that one can look at?
Not sure what 1.2 trillion you are referring to, but the loans made out to the big banks (Goldman Sachs and company) have been repaid (with interest.) It was in the news a bit back- basically every time each bank paid some money back. Of course it wasn't a huge story as the media (and some populist movements) like to vilify those who are successful instead.
 
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How exactly would the US have fallen apart? The healthy assets of the Goliaths would simply have been sold off or spun off. They could have gone through the bankruptcy process and out of it we would have new growth. There would be no collapse. Some temporary tightening of the belt, sure, but no collapse.

Big banks fail. large business cut back and people lose their jobs. Small businesses that banked at the big banks and/or got supplies from the big businesses fail. Small banks fail. People don't have money to spend so the big businesses fail. The state gov'ts, no longer having a tax base fail. The Fed fails. No more USA as states cut their loses and leave.
 
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Not sure what 1.2 trillion you are referring to, but the loans made out to the big banks (Goldman Sachs and company) have been repaid (with interest.) It was in the news a bit back- basically every time each bank paid some money back. Of course it wasn't a huge story as current populism likes to vilify those who are successful instead.
I'm referring to the 1.2-trillion bail out package that was voted on immediately after Obama took over office last year in January/February. Or were the loans in addition to the 1.2-trillion package?
 

myp

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Big banks fail. large business cut back and people lose their jobs. Small businesses that banked at the big banks and/or got supplies from the big businesses fail. Small banks fail. People don't have money to spend so the big businesses fail. The state gov'ts, no longer having a tax base fail. The Fed fails. No more USA as states cut their loses and leave.
The liquid assets would be sold off though to other companies. That is the beauty of it- the good assets would live on. Also, when you say that large businesses will cut back if big banks fail I am assuming you are justifying that would be due to a credit shortage? Well, even with the bailouts we had a credit crunch- it is still extremely hard to get credit. That part of the scenario would remain similar, except the situation might even be better had we let them fail because the companies that bought the good assets would obviously have been in good financial situation (at least relatively) if they bought up the assets, meaning they would also be more likely to lend, especially when those cheap bankruptcy assets appreciated.
 

myp

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I'm referring to the 1.2-trillion bail out package that was voted on immediately after Obama took over office last year in January/February. Or were the loans in addition to the 1.2-trillion package?
That was the stimulus package (and it was more around ~800 billion after some "cuts") and that money did not go to the banks. That was more for government spending projects, etc. The money that went to the banks, was from TARP, which was passed during Bush's time in office after the big banks started to fail.
 
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That was the stimulus package (and it was more around ~800 billion after some "cuts") and that money did not go to the banks. That was more for government spending projects, etc. The money that went to the banks, was from TARP, which was passed during Bush's time in office after the big banks started to fail.

Ah Bush, the man who, in his last year, out-nationalized Chavez for his who term. :giggle: Also the man that said, "We need to redefine capitalism." Hint, hint.
 
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That was the stimulus package (and it was more around ~800 billion after some "cuts") and that money did not go to the banks. That was more for government spending projects, etc. The money that went to the banks, was from TARP, which was passed during Bush's time in office after the big banks started to fail.
Thanks for the correction. So the Banks were not bailed out, they actually received loans, that have been repaid?

So what would the need then be for Bank Taxes?
 

myp

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Thanks for the correction. So the Banks were not bailed out, they actually received loans, that have been repaid?
Well, technically, the bailouts were not supposed to be just giveaways- they were essentially loans in that the banks were expected to pay them back.

So what would the need then be for Bank Taxes?
The Obama administration claims it is to make up for unpaid money on bailouts. What doesn't make sense is that they are taxing the group of companies who have already paid back their bailout money in order to compensate for those companies who have not paid it back.
 
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The Obama administration claims it is to make up for unpaid money on bailouts. What doesn't make sense is that they are taxing the group of companies who have already paid back their bailout money in order to compensate for those companies who have not paid it back.
That I can't understand at all. Why have some paid their debts back, and others not, does this mean that some of the companies have been forgiven their debts, and technically the taxpayers will have to bail them out directly?
 

myp

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That I can't understand at all. Why have some paid their debts back, and others not, does this mean that some of the companies have been forgiven their debts, and technically the taxpayers will have to bail them out directly?
Not exactly, but the administration knows that the growing deficit is hurting them and they need to find ways to try to reduce it. As for why some companies have paid it back and others haven't- quite simple; the ones that have paid it back are generally the same ones which have bounced back and started to make money again.
 
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Not exactly, but the administration knows that the growing deficit is hurting them and they need to find ways to try to reduce it. As for why some companies have paid it back and others haven't- quite simple; the ones that have paid it back are generally the same ones which have bounced back and started to make money again.
Right! In the meanwhile they are working on multi trillions for the Health Reform Legislation? If there had been a consistent policy in overall of working on reducing the deficit, great! But this seems to be the application of a band-aid strip? :(
 
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