Republicans: I WARNED YOU.

Jan 2013
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Sanity is relative
1. Raising taxes on the rich certainly CAN create jobs, if it's done right. The added revenue can be spent to hire govt workers, who then take their Paycheck $$$ to the stores (AKA the economy) and spend them, boosting the economy. Also, if the workers hired are in the cause of fighting illegal immigration (ICE agents, CBP officers, build the fence, etc) then illegal aliens & illegal employers could be caught and Billion$$$ could be kept in the Us economy, instead of being lost to remittances and going to illegal alien families in welfare via the anchor baby racket.

2. "flat set tax for all that is tiered based on income?"
This sounds like a contradiction of itself. Can you clarify, please ?

So, employment in the private sector doesn't have any positive effects?

Do you believe in the free market, or do you feel that ALL employment should be government based, such as 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'?
 
Jul 2009
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Do you believe in the free market, or do you feel that ALL employment should be government based, such as 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'?

That's not what that saying means...
 
Dec 2012
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So, employment in the private sector doesn't have any positive effects?

Do you believe in the free market, or do you feel that ALL employment should be government based, such as 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'?

The Marxist quote "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" has nothing to do with govt or private employment. It has only to do with distribution of wealth.

Sure employment in the private sector can have plenty of positive effects. Why do you ask ?

I believe in a limited free market. No market should be 100% unrestrained, as many tragic examples can attest (thalidomide, Vioxx, Ford Pinto, Chevy Corvair, etc)
 
Jan 2013
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New Jersey
Somewhere, someone in the GOP made the statement that deficits don't matter. Maybe Cheney? That is partially true, the economy and jobs should be a piority. Once the jobs are moving up, more taxes will be paid which will help lower the deficit. The deficit has been cut by one-trillion dollars by this administration. Obama turned the job market around from losing 750,000 jobs a month to gaining positive jobs numbers for some 32 months. We still need more. If the two jobs bills would be put on the floor by Boehner, we could have more. This man has done an amazing job in spite of the hateful GOP and their full intentions to bring the man down, regardless of the damage to the country. My thought, be freaking careful of the ditch you dig for your enemy, lest you fall in it. As for this muslim brotherhood crapola, he had four years to do whatever you think he was going to do, instead he was working hard to save the auto industry, keep the banks solvent and helping to establish health care. Now he wants to increase jobs, cut the deficit, and work on an immigration policy, also gun control. This bogey man shat is so old. Cheers.
 
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Jan 2013
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That's not what that saying means...
I know what the saying means.

The reference was the government providing all the employment, and deciding what people should make, not as the 'private' market provides.
 
Dec 2012
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Over a year ago, I wrote a post telling Republicans that nobody is buying the trickle down economics BS anymore. If you push tax cuts for the rich, in November you'll be toast.

Frankly, with the awful economics policies that you have, I'm surprised Romney won as many states as he did. Well, I warned you. As long as you keep going against the tide (67-85% of Americans support tax raises on the rich), you're going to keep on losing.

So now, because of your lamebrain Reaganist tax policies (instead of the REAL Conservative Eisenhower policies), we've got the Muslim Brotherhood guy in the White House for another 4 years. Four more years of support for affirmative action, for immigration, for gun control. Thanks a lot ! Dummies.

Jobs Bills - Republicans Are Committing Political Suicide.

Republicans kept the House and there is no other economic system other then trickle down in free societies.

Frankly, Americans have been sold a raise taxes on the rich when more informed constituents know this isn't solving anything. Entitlements must be addressed and then a coherent and reasonable energy and economic policy need to be implemented. Yours is a political thread start with a motive behind it, when you're ready to discuss the issues, let us know.

Quit putting people to sleep with your talking points, thanks.
 
Oct 2012
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Baaaing along behind your sheepherder is not any way to fit in, tecoyah. Live and learn.

Yet...seeming to be an unpleasant aspect of the flock, biting the shepherd, and pissing on the other sheep will certainly end poorly for the creature.
 
Jul 2009
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I know what the saying means.

The reference was the government providing all the employment, and deciding what people should make, not as the 'private' market provides.

Marx was an anarchist...
 
Jan 2013
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New Jersey
Just an opinion. When adults act as if they are still playing in the school yard and acting like kids, the conversation is much less interesting. Leave the personal attacks behind, and stick to the subject matter. Thanks too much. "o)
 
Dec 2012
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Yet it can be a flat tax for a particular income bracket. The go up to a different percentage for another bracket and be a set flat percentage tax rate for that bracket. What is so hard to understand

you make 18 thousand to 24 thousand your flat tax rate would be say 3% as an example.
Then you bump up to the next bracket let us sat 24,001 to 40 thousand and you flat tax would be a set 4%.

You do away with filing income taxes and no one owes taxes at the end of the year nor does any one get tax returns at the end of the year.

Notice the words "go up" and "flat" represent 2 different things ?
 
Dec 2012
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Republicans kept the House and there is no other economic system other then trickle down in free societies.

Frankly, Americans have been sold a raise taxes on the rich when more informed constituents know this isn't solving anything. Entitlements must be addressed and then a coherent and reasonable energy and economic policy need to be implemented. Yours is a political thread start with a motive behind it, when you're ready to discuss the issues, let us know.

Quit putting people to sleep with your talking points, thanks.

Everything you said to me, I say it right back to you (talking points, motive, agenda).

I stand behind the OP 100%, and really it can't be denied. The American people have long discarded the false notion of trickle down economics, and have come to embrace (so the polls say) >> Percolate Up economics generated by higher taxes on the rich, and govt jobs created (FOR AMERICANS, not foreigners), especially to fight illegal immigration, and thereby prevent massive welfare $$$ loss and massive remittances$$ loss.

Those ARE the issues (partially), and I'm discussing them right now.
 
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Dec 2012
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Marx was an anarchist...

Not at all. Just because he called for economic equality, that would make him an anarchist ? LOL. Sounds like you might define the overwhelming majority of Americans as "anarchists". Like Marx, they believe in equality AND attaining it through the income tax system, starting with tax raises on the rich, that's all.

http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2292/americans-support-higher-taxes-really

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...t-americans-support-raising-taxes-on-wealthy/
 
Jul 2009
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Not at all. Just because he called for economic equality, that would make him an anarchist ? LOL. Sounds like you might define the overwhelming majority of Americans as "anarchists". Like Marx, they believe in equality AND attaining it through the income tax system, starting with tax raises on the rich, that's all.

http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2292/americans-support-higher-taxes-really

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...t-americans-support-raising-taxes-on-wealthy/

He called for the dissolution of the state, so ya he was an anarchist. He wasn't an idiot about it (like the black hoody types you see in the news), he took a more libertarian stance calling for gov't to be shrunken to the point of obsolescence rather then eliminated out right but an anarchist he was. I wish Dirk was around, he (while not a Marxist) shares Marx's view on gov't and could explain it better then I can. I'm sure he'll reply to this post in about 6 months or so. :giggle:
 
Dec 2012
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He called for the dissolution of the state, so ya he was an anarchist. He wasn't an idiot about it (like the black hoody types you see in the news), he took a more libertarian stance calling for gov't to be shrunken to the point of obsolescence rather then eliminated out right but an anarchist he was. I wish Dirk was around, he (while not a Marxist) shares Marx's view on gov't and could explain it better then I can. I'm sure he'll reply to this post in about 6 months or so. :giggle:

I don't need Dirk (whoever he is) to explain it. I know as much about Marx and his policies I'll ever need to know. And wasn't it just the CAPITALIST state that he was calling for dissoution of ? (not necessarily a "state" per se).

In fact, by Marx's advice of having the income tax system redistribute wealth, and keep it equalized, it might appear Marx was OK with a state, as long as it was doing what he preferred. You can't have an income tax without a state.
 
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