Texas town allows Teacher to carry guns in school.

myp · Dec 24, 2012

misterveritis said:
We can agree to disagree.

My arguments are based on reading what the Framers wrote, what they argued about and why they developed the Constitution as they did.

Your arguments are based on the emotional tug of a monster's murder of 27 people. My arguments lead to liberty. Yours to tyranny.

We can agree to disagree.

We can agree to disagree because interpretation has subjectivity and is not complete fact. Your childishness in accepting that it is a disagreement yet suggesting I support tyranny and this and that is just silly. In the same manner I can call you a barbaric gun nut who doesn't care about the well being of the people and does not understand the true intent of the Constitution or what freedom really is. But I don't say these things ad nauseum like you call the rest of us pro-tyranny because I understand that it is an irrational and unjust statement that does not reflect your true good intent, regardless of how disillusioned you may be.

clax · Dec 24, 2012

misterveritis said:
Earlier we had this exchange,

to which I replied, "LOL. Sure.
You are a pompous ass."

Let us examine the exchange. According to you I have no intellectual honesty. I think my rejoinder was an appropriate one.

This is his pathetic debate tactic, its called ad hominem. Meaning he can't debate the idea so he resorts to attacking your character.

I pmed him asking him to just be civil and he continued his ad hominem crap.

There is a better hobby than debating myp like smacking your head into a tree.

misterveritis said:
You offered nothing requiring an argument. My political agenda is the Constitutional one. It is intended to guarantee that we keep our liberties and freedoms. You believe we are on opposite sides. I can agree.

He never does, you are just supposed to accept his opinion as fact because nobody can be as much of an expert at anything, even though I have ten years experience in the realm of criminal justice I can't know as much as the almighty myp. Because his opinion has to bee fact. blow him off there is no logic there.

He actually said his definition of words even if they contradict the dictionary are better than the dictionary definition. There its no logical debate with a person like this. Its best just to walk away.

myp · Dec 24, 2012

clax, this isn't the "complain about myp" thread. PM me or go to the suggestion forum if you have an issue with me. Stay on topic here. You are being quite childish. Your character attacks aren't amusing in the slightest. The posts you talk of are out there on the forum for everyone to see and decide for themselves. Be glad I am patient, but I am warning you, if you are just here to troll, you will be infracted and banned. I hope that is not the case, but if it is, you leave me know choice but to enforce the rules.

clax · Dec 24, 2012

myp said:
clax, this isn't the "complain about myp" thread. PM me or go to the suggestion forum if you have an issue with me. Stay on topic here. You are being quite childish. Your character attacks aren't amusing in the slightest. The posts you talk of are out there on the forum for everyone to see and decide for themselves. Be glad I am patient, but I am warning you, if you are just here to troll, you will be infracted and banned. I hope that is not the case, but if it is, you leave me know choice but to enforce the rules.

If my comments are not true than you would have agreed to be civil. I Suggest the great emperor myp follow his own rules

myp · Dec 24, 2012

clax said:
If my comments are not true than you would have agreed to be civil. I Suggest the great emperor myp follow his own rules

I am not the one not being civil

And if you don't believe me, go ask any other members on this forum. Now stop responding here and pm me if you have an issue or want to keep bickering.

tecoyah · Dec 24, 2012

clax said:
If my comments are not true than you would have agreed to be civil. I Suggest the great emperor myp follow his own rules

Okay Clax...myp....this should stop now!

Clax, take the personal stuff to a personal place.

myp · Dec 24, 2012

fee8002 said:
But then at the same time teachers have a lot on their plates and are stressed most of the time (at least my friends that are teachers say they are) can we trust them?

I think we can trust them, but the greater issue will be that a lot of them won't want to carry guns anyway. Furthermore, with those that do, there are a lot of safety concerns with accidents.

JLetterman · Dec 26, 2012

I know that a teacher carrying a gun is an extreme measure, but I'm all for it as well. I think that people approach gun control completely backwards. They want to take more guns away from people who need them instead of taking them out of the hands of those who don't. Criminals will always have guns no matter the law, so we have to protect ourselves by allowing ourselves to have guns. Who can really argue that a teacher having a gun will cause more problems than it will help solve? Really?!

David · Dec 26, 2012

JLetterman said:
I know that a teacher carrying a gun is an extreme measure, but I'm all for it as well. I think that people approach gun control completely backwards. They want to take more guns away from people who need them instead of taking them out of the hands of those who don't. Criminals will always have guns no matter the law, so we have to protect ourselves by allowing ourselves to have guns. Who can really argue that a teacher having a gun will cause more problems than it will help solve? Really?!

Regulate guns heavily but don't restrict the type of guns quilified people can carry.

misterveritis · Dec 30, 2012

myp said:
I think we can trust them, but the greater issue will be that a lot of them won't want to carry guns anyway. Furthermore, with those that do, there are a lot of safety concerns with accidents.

About 5% of all gun deaths are due to accidents. Among those nearly all of the accidents are caused by people with a history of impulsiveness and recklessness. The overwhelming majority of those who have gun accidents have a history of traffic tickets and accidents, other kinds of accidents, along with drug and/or alcohol addiction. Many (about half) are under age 25.

So don't allow a teacher under the age of 25 the opportunity to conceal-carry a weapon if she also has any traffic tickets, is mentally ill, a drug addict or an alcoholic.

misterveritis · Dec 30, 2012

High Risk Groups

David said:
Regulate guns heavily but don't restrict the type of guns quilified people can carry.

Interestingly requiring people to train in gun safety and then giving the individual a permit to own weapons does reduce the number of suicides by gun and the number of accidents with guns.

I think it is reasonable to restrict the right to carry a concealed weapon for those who are less than 25 years of age, those convicted of felonies, the mentally ill, drug addicts and alcoholics. That just about covers the high risk groups.

David · Dec 30, 2012

misterveritis said:
Interestingly requiring people to train in gun safety and then giving the individual a permit to own weapons does reduce the number of suicides by gun and the number of accidents with guns.

I think it is reasonable to restrict the right to carry a concealed weapon for those who are less than 25 years of age, those convicted of felonies, the mentally ill, drug addicts and alcoholics. That just about covers the high risk groups.

Indeed. Regulate guns but don't actually restrict them.

misterveritis · Dec 30, 2012

David said:
Indeed. Regulate guns but don't actually restrict them.

You misunderstood. Do not regulate guns. But do insist that the people who buy attend training or show they are trained.

A trained gun owner is generally a safe gun owner. If we place restrictions on the high risk groups we can reduce gun accidents, which are already a very small problem. We should also restrict those under 25 from voting and for the same underlying reason. Their brains have not yet formed into adult brains.

David · Dec 30, 2012

misterveritis said:
You misunderstood. Do not regulate guns. But do insist that the people who buy attend training or show they are trained.

A trained gun owner is generally a safe gun owner. If we place restrictions on the high risk groups we can reduce gun accidents, which are already a very small problem. We should also restrict those under 25 from voting and for the same underlying reason. Their brains have not yet formed into adult brains.

Don't regulate guns?! Even the NRA doesn't argue for that.

bluefig · Dec 30, 2012

I am for allowing teachers to defend themselves and their students using firearms, if they chose to get the training required in their state for concealed carry permits. They should keep the gun on themselves at all times. I have never heard of one documented gun accident involving a concealed carrier. If anyone else has, please post the link to the data.

clax · Dec 31, 2012

Not sure why its right to suspend rights because of a persons profession.

tecoyah · Dec 31, 2012

clax said:
Not sure why its right to suspend rights because of a persons profession.

Until it is decided someone has the "Right" to bring a deadly weapon into a classroom full of kids...the right cannot be suspended.

clax · Dec 31, 2012

tecoyah said:
Until it is decided someone has the "Right" to bring a deadly weapon into a classroom full of kids...the right cannot be suspended.

It isn't deadly, only has the potential to deadly, it is just a lump of metal.

tecoyah · Dec 31, 2012

1dead·ly

adjective \ˈded-lē\
dead·li·erdead·li·est

Definition of DEADLY

1
: likely to cause or capable of producing death <deadly poison>

2
a : aiming to kill or destroy : implacable <a deadly enemy>
b : highly effective <a deadly exposé>
c : unerring <a deadly marksman>
d : marked by determination or extreme seriousness

3
a : tending to deprive of force or vitality <a deadly habit>
b : suggestive of death especially in dullness or lack of animation <deadly bores> <a deadly conversation>

4
: very great : extreme

clax · Dec 31, 2012

tecoyah said:
1dead·ly

adjective \ˈded-lē\
dead·li·erdead·li·est

Definition of DEADLY

1
: likely to cause or capable of producing death <deadly poison>

2
a : aiming to kill or destroy : implacable <a deadly enemy>
b : highly effective <a deadly exposé>
c : unerring <a deadly marksman>
d : marked by determination or extreme seriousness

3
a : tending to deprive of force or vitality <a deadly habit>
b : suggestive of death especially in dullness or lack of animation <deadly bores> <a deadly conversation>

4
: very great : extreme

Exactly a gun in a holster isn't capable of causing death, i.e. not deadly.

Guns don't "go off" if they are not wielded they can't kill. Not saying have them walk around with a pimp action.

Texas town allows Teacher to carry guns in school.

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