The Gaffemaster does it again.........

Patrick · Oct 6, 2011

David said:
Because he wants troops on the border instead of a worthless and expensive fence and wants the children of illegals (who are Americans in most cases) to get an education so they don't end up on welfare and instead contribute to society? Oh the horror!

As just about EVERYONE knows, "troops on the border" is utterly worthless, has almost no effect, and is just a farcical media event to pretend "something is being done".

And your inability to grasp the contradiction between encouraging people to invade with such as the "dream act" and presumably discouraging them with border troops is something you are clearly unable to grasp.

David · Oct 6, 2011

Patrick said:
As just about EVERYONE knows, "troops on the border" is utterly worthless, has almost no effect, and is just a farcical media event to pretend "something is being done". And your inability to grasp the contradiction between encouraging people to invade with such as the "dream act" and presumably discouraging them with border troops is something you are clearly unable to grasp.

I bet your the kind of guy that boos gay solders.

Patrick · Oct 6, 2011

David said:
I bet your the kind of guy that boos gay solders.

How old are you again? 14?

David · Oct 6, 2011

Patrick said:
How old are you again? 14?

Are you seriously denying that didn't happen?

Patrick · Oct 6, 2011

David said:
Are you seriously denying that didn't happen?

No, it DID happen: obama sent some guys in uniform, obama's lib media shills gave it the PR that was the whole object, and they've had almost no impact. Further putting idle troops on the border does nothing about the millions of invaders already inside the country.

David · Oct 6, 2011

Patrick said:
No, it DID happen: obama sent some guys in uniform, obama's lib media shills gave it the PR that was the whole object, and they've had almost no impact. Further putting idle troops on the border does nothing about the millions of invaders already inside the country.

Invaders... This nation is built on 'invasions', there's no such thing as an American ethnicity. We're a bunch of tribes from Africa, Europe and the Americas thrown together and expected to get along. The only immigration we need to be worried about is criminals, not hard working folks looking for jobs and higher living standards. Hell many places are giving away land for free to stop depopulation, immigrants, especially those with agriculture experience, would solve that problem quite nicely.

Patrick · Oct 7, 2011

David said:
Invaders... This nation is built on 'invasions'

Uh, noooooooooo, it was built on LEGAL immigration.

there's no such thing as an American ethnicity

Only in the mind of leftwing america-hating fruitcakes.

We're a bunch of tribes from Africa, Europe and the Americas thrown together and expected to get along. The only immigration we need to be worried about is criminals, not hard working folks looking for jobs and higher living standards. Hell many places are giving away land for free to stop depopulation, immigrants, especially those with agriculture experience, would solve that problem quite nicely.

Well, why don't YOU immigrate there, take along all the obamabot losers, and all the illegal aliens? I think it would be a good thing for you all. It CERTAINLY would be a good thing for THIS country.

David · Oct 7, 2011

Patrick said:
Uh, noooooooooo, it was built on LEGAL immigration.

Illegal immigration is illegal only because we tightened up the regs. Applying modern standards just about every immigrant back in the day would be illegal. We need to streamline the process.

Only in the mind of leftwing america-hating fruitcakes.

In other words, reality.

Well, why don't YOU immigrate there, take along all the obamabot losers, and all the illegal aliens? I think it would be a good thing for you all. It CERTAINLY would be a good thing for THIS country.

I'm likely more American then you.

myp · Oct 8, 2011

Patrick said:
Uh, noooooooooo, it was built on LEGAL immigration.

The United States had free immigration laws before ~1914. There was no such thing as illegal immigration (save perhaps criminals from countries who we had extradition agreements with).

Patrick · Oct 8, 2011

myp said:
The United States had free immigration laws before ~1914. There was no such thing as illegal immigration (save perhaps criminals from countries who we had extradition agreements with).

Actually the Naturalization Act of 1790 limited immigration to free white persons until after the civil war. Also acts in laws in 1882, 1917, 1924 and 1934 excluded immigrants from China, Japan, India and the Philippines. Further, there was never anything like 20 million people showing up from mostly one country in a short historical period. There are many other differences between historical times and today - people actually had to be committed to the new country, whereas now there is instant communication back to the old country and easy transportation back, huge illegal alien-oriented media, and many other factors encouraging balkanization. There was no welfare state to exploit. Etc etc.

David · Oct 8, 2011

Patrick said:
Further, there was never anything like 20 million people showing up from mostly one country in a short historical period.

True but we have a depopulation problem in this country (so bad they give land away for free), 20 million poor farmers would be a godsend. If I had my way I'd tell the Mexicans who don't normally qualify for immigration (no American family or marketable skills, the kind of people who come illegally) that they have to know how to farm and run a small business, seek citizenship inside 5 years, need to live on the land or at least a decade and can't have a criminal record (excluding minor things like traffic violations). It would get the tax base up, solve the depopulation issue as most of the land being depopulated is farmland and would provide a way of letting poor Mexicans that'll cross anyway do so in a way we can control.

myp · Oct 8, 2011

Patrick said:
Actually the Naturalization Act of 1790 limited immigration to free white persons until after the civil war. Also acts in laws in 1882, 1917, 1924 and 1934 excluded immigrants from China, Japan, India and the Philippines. Further, there was never anything like 20 million people showing up from mostly one country in a short historical period. There are many other differences between historical times and today - people actually had to be committed to the new country, whereas now there is instant communication back to the old country and easy transportation back, huge illegal alien-oriented media, and many other factors encouraging balkanization. There was no welfare state to exploit. Etc etc.

Racism in policy aside, the number was never limited. Read the words on Ellis Island.

As for 20 million- you can't take raw numbers for comparison, you have to do it as a percentage of US population at the time or something more relevant. There also weren't 6 billion+ people on the planet back then.

People being committed- no, that's not true- literally anyone could come and it was wonderful.

No welfare state to exploit- the illegal immigrants don't have much of a welfare state to exploit either minus a few programs for which they make up in net production as per actually statistical studies.

DodgeFB · Oct 9, 2011

David said:
True but we have a depopulation problem in this country (so bad they give land away for free), 20 million poor farmers would be a godsend. If I had my way I'd tell the Mexicans who don't normally qualify for immigration (no American family or marketable skills, the kind of people who come illegally) that they have to know how to farm and run a small business, seek citizenship inside 5 years, need to live on the land or at least a decade and can't have a criminal record (excluding minor things like traffic violations). It would get the tax base up, solve the depopulation issue as most of the land being depopulated is farmland and would provide a way of letting poor Mexicans that'll cross anyway do so in a way we can control.

They should make that offer to us before handing it out to people from Mexico or anywhere else. Hell our folks are losing what they have now. And the government just tells us what they will pay you for your land, take or leave it. I know because it happened to my own family. They had it appraised then refused to pay what their own people said it was worth. They sent us a check that had to be cashed within 30 days or they would condemn it and just take it.

Wonder why I hate the government.?

David · Oct 9, 2011

DodgeFB said:
They should make that offer to us before handing it out to people from Mexico or anywhere else. Hell our folks are losing what they have now. And the government just tells us what they will pay you for your land, take or leave it. I know because it happened to my own family. They had it appraised then refused to pay what their own people said it was worth. They sent us a check that had to be cashed within 30 days or they would condemn it and just take it. Wonder why I hate the government.?

They are offering the land to Americans 1st (for free in many cases) but nobody is taking them up on the offer, otherwise we wouldn't have a depopulation issue.

Patrick · Oct 9, 2011

David said:
True but we have a depopulation problem in this country (so bad they give land away for free), 20 million poor farmers would be a godsend. If I had my way I'd tell the Mexicans who don't normally qualify for immigration (no American family or marketable skills, the kind of people who come illegally) that they have to know how to farm and run a small business, seek citizenship inside 5 years, need to live on the land or at least a decade and can't have a criminal record (excluding minor things like traffic violations). It would get the tax base up, solve the depopulation issue as most of the land being depopulated is farmland and would provide a way of letting poor Mexicans that'll cross anyway do so in a way we can control.

You've taken leave of your senses - most of illegals can't even read spanish, much less run a business. Contrary to your claim of increasing the tax base, they would be a huge new drain on the welfare system - just what we need now, right? The low assimilation rate of such people would severly balkanize the country like quebec and canada, only much worse. The leftwing supports the illegal alien invasion because they envision millions of newly-minted democrat voters, and with their high birth rate and chain immigration, tens of millions more, thus resulting in permanent political power for the leftwing, at the cost of destroying this country, which oif course they don't care about. And mexicans don't cross the border "anyway", they do it because RINOs and the leftwing won't enforce immigration laws, the former because they want to provide cheap labor for their corporate friends, the latter as explained above.

David · Oct 9, 2011

Patrick said:
You've taken leave of your senses - most of illegals can't even read spanish, much less run a business. Contrary to your claim of increasing the tax base, they would be a huge new drain on the welfare system - just what we need now, right? The low assimilation rate of such people would severly balkanize the country like quebec and canada, only much worse. The leftwing supports the illegal alien invasion because they envision millions of newly-minted democrat voters, and with their high birth rate and chain immigration, tens of millions more, thus resulting in permanent political power for the leftwing, at the cost of destroying this country, which oif course they don't care about. And mexicans don't cross the border "anyway", they do it because RINOs and the leftwing won't enforce immigration laws, the former because they want to provide cheap labor for their corporate friends, the latter as explained above.

Way to ignore the restriction in place in my plan! Do you practice or does being an idiot troll come naturally?

DodgeFB · Oct 9, 2011

David said:
They are offering the land to Americans 1st (for free in many cases) but nobody is taking them up on the offer, otherwise we wouldn't have a depopulation issue.

They have never offered me a damn thing. Why? Because I would take all the land I could get.

David · Oct 9, 2011

DodgeFB said:
They have never offered me a damn thing. Why? Because I would take all the land I could get.

Ha, I wish they would but if you don't mind poor land (and you shouldn't unless you want to farm/ranch) you can get land for as little as $165/acre.

myp · Oct 9, 2011

David said:
True but we have a depopulation problem in this country (so bad they give land away for free), 20 million poor farmers would be a godsend. If I had my way I'd tell the Mexicans who don't normally qualify for immigration (no American family or marketable skills, the kind of people who come illegally) that they have to know how to farm and run a small business, seek citizenship inside 5 years, need to live on the land or at least a decade and can't have a criminal record (excluding minor things like traffic violations). It would get the tax base up, solve the depopulation issue as most of the land being depopulated is farmland and would provide a way of letting poor Mexicans that'll cross anyway do so in a way we can control.

Citizenship is what makes immigration burdensome under the current system. As for farms- industrialization has been the name of the game for quite a while now- mom and pop farms aren't needed as much which might be why farmland numbers are going down (which I will take at face from what you said- I haven't actually looked at numbers). The illegal immigrants you are talking about probably can't afford the machinery

- it takes a lot of capital. And I have no idea what you are talking about with depopulation- the "free" land is I am assuming some special interest pushed legislation?

David · Oct 9, 2011

myp said:
Citizenship is what makes immigration burdensome under the current system. As for farms- industrialization has been the name of the game for quite a while now- mom and pop farms aren't needed as much which might be why farmland numbers are going down (which I will take at face from what you said- I haven't actually looked at numbers). The illegal immigrants you are talking about probably can't afford the machinery - it takes a lot of capital. And I have no idea what you are talking about with depopulation- the "free" land is I am assuming some special interest pushed legislation?

Industrialization isn't the issue, it just makes farming better. The issue is factory farms (which don't grow foodstuffs in most cases) forcing the small farms out. This forces farmers to move, depopulating their communities and leading to social and governmental collapse. The free land is mostly local gov't acting on it's own to service, usually offering a small lot to build a house on, unlimited land (within reason) and low or no taxes for businesses or a combination of the 2 to grow the population or at least stop the trend of depopulation. You really should digging deeper, America isn't nearly as well off as it seems with many places without electricity or water.

I know these details are ignored by the media due to low ratings and Libertarians sch as yourself that have this rosy view of the American Dream and capitalist paradise (though you're not so deluded on that last point) but really now. Start digging if you dare.

The Gaffemaster does it again.........

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