What I see as wrong with America.

tecoyah said:

I still cannot understand how anyone can call our president a failure...unless they are simply a "Party Player". It is one thing to disagree with policy, even to be critical of the pace of recovery (as I am)...but to claim abject failure is to ignore reality.

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name a single success

tecoyah said:

Many were certainly critical of Bush...yet they still treated the office he held with due respect. This is not the case with many republicans...even those within congress.

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Pure delusion

would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a "deserter." What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate."Michael Moore"Bush's actions remind me of Herman Goering's quote during the Nuremberg Trials, where he stated: '...it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.'"*

Barbra Streisand

This President invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of the UN. He is basically a war criminal. Honestly. He should be tried at The Hague.Rosie O'donnell

"While President Bush likes to project an image of strength and courage, the real truth is that in the presence of his large financial contributors, he is a moral coward,"*Al Gore

"George W. Bush is evil. He is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control."Julianne Malveaux - USA Today columnist

“I despise him [President George W. Bush]. I despise his administration and everything they stand for....To my mind the election was stolen by George Bush and we have been suffering ever since under this man’s leadership....There has to be a movement now to really oppose what he is proposing because it’s unconstitutional, it’s immoral and basically illegal....It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It’s humiliating.”*Jessica Lange"As we have learned in the past weeks, we cannot trust George W. Bush,"*

Barbra Streisand

"George W Bush is like a bad comic working the crowd, a moron, if you'll pardon the expression,"*

Martin Sheen

"Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas,"*Natalie Maines- Dixie Chicks

"There's nothing you could point to in the Bush Administration with pride, Nothing. There is no way any rational, reasonable person can say that the Bush Administration has been good for America."Janeane Garofalo

"I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a traitor of human and American principles.”*Sean Penn

"In two short years, George W. Bush has taught us what the 'W' stands for -- wrong. Wrong for our children, wrong for our parents, wrong for our values. Wrong, wrong, wrong for America."*John Edwards

"We stand a chance of getting a president who has probably killed more people before he gets into office than any president in the history of the United States."Susan Sarandon

"Bush wasn't elected, he was selected— selected by five judges up in Washington who voted along party lines,"*Alec Baldwin"he sounds more like a gang leader in South-Central L.A. than one that is trying to institute a policy of democracy and reconstruction in the world."*Al Sharpton"President Bush is pushing the wrong buttons when he says, 'Those who are not with us, are against us,' " Soros said. "This is an imperialist vision in which the U.S. leads and the rest of the world follows."George Soros"shout a little louder if you want the president impeached."*Bruce Springsteen"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House (you call them "hawks", but I would never disparage such a fine bird) have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist."*Woody Harrelson"I'm both pro-Kerry and anti-Bush. More anti-Bush."Howard Stern"To start with, anti-Castro groups were vital in implementing the dirty business of the butterfly ballots ensuring Bush's victory at the 2000 elections,"Oliver Stone"The difference between Martin Sheen and George W. Bush is Martin Sheen is actually convincing when he acts like he's president."*Paul Begala“Who gave George Bush the duty to free people around the world?”*Mike Wallace"George Bush doesn't care about black people,"*Kanye West"We all need to take a deep breath and think about being a Bush daughter and having that cross to bear. I'd go out and have a couple of drinks too,"*Julia Roberts"The war on terrorism is terrorism."Woody HarrelsonThis was about oil. It wasn’t about human rights. It’s not about human rights....It is the Bush/Cheney cartel’s fault....Team Bush is more radically corrupt than Richard Nixon ever tried to be....It is, in fact, a conspiracy of the 43rd Reich.”janeane garofalo"I think George Bush is such an embarrassment to America in the way that he doesn't take the rest of the world into consideration."*Gwyneth Paltrow"He is supposed to be America's president, but he's not my president, I didn't vote for him,"*Carlos Santana"I never saw a clearer choice in my life," Baldwin said, describing the Bush administration as being "good at only two things: the economy — and by that I mean stimulating the Dow, stimulating corporate profits and the Dow — and waging war. And they basically screwed up both of them, or they're in the process of screwing up both of them."Alec Baldwin"This week President Bush implemented a military tribunal ... which will make it easier for us to execute (people)."Danny Glover"It's your money, says President Bush when he promotes tax cuts. I disagree with his tax policy but admire his spin."Bill Clinton“Bush stole the elections and since then we have all been suffering the consequences,”Jessica Lange"I wasn't raised in George Bush's America, and I wouldn't be comfortable in it."Richard Dreyfuss“Bush says you’re either with us or against us. I don’t know who ‘us’ is. I say to Mr. Bush—this is what democracy looks like. We will not give our daughters and sons for a war for oil.”*Susan SarandonPresident Bush is "a dull and rigid man ... whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk," who is running for president on a platform of tragedy.*Garrison KeillorThe world would be completely different today had Bush not stolen the elections from Gore. Bush is only adding more fuel to the fire. He is a slave and the puppet of the large weapons and oil companies which put him into office."*Oliver Stone"I never made that statement, but you can tell Gov. Bush to rest assured that I'm not going to leave the country because we have to get him out of office and we have to get his brother out of office in 2004. We're not resting until we get that done."*Alec BaldwinPresident George Bush “is just dim,"George Clooney"I don't think that (U.S. President) George Bush...is a man of honor,"*Harry Belafonte*"What did Bush do on 9/11? He ran away and hid.*George Clooney"[If] a black is a tyrant, he is first and foremost a tyrant, then he incidentally is black. Bush is a tyrant and if he gathers around him black tyrants, they all have to be treated as they are being treated," he addedHarry Belafonte"I don't like Bush," she said. "I don't trust him. I don't like his record. He's stupid. He's lazy."Cher"We live in a time with ficticious election results that elect fictious presidents. We live in a time when we have a man sending us to war for fictious reasons. We are against this war Mr. Bush. Shame on you. Shame on you!"Michael Moore"This guy is as bright as an egg-timer,"*Chevy Chase"The America we believe in can't survive another four years of George Bush"MobyReagan was a B-movie actor, but at least he had the ability to touch certain emotional notes. Bush is just utterly incapable of it."Ed Norton"There are people dying and (the U.S. government is) not putting the boats in the water. I think that's criminal negligence. I don't think anybody ever anticipated the criminal negligence of the Bush administration in this situation."Sean Penn“Being a man, I’ve got to say that we’ve got this guy in the White House who thinks he is a man, you know, who projects himself as a man because he has a certain masculinity, and he’s a good old boy, and he used to drink, and he knows how to shoot a gun and how to drive a pickup truck, et cetera, like that. That’s not the definition of a man, God dammit!”Ed Harris

tecoyah said:

Okay:

"1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems. 2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...tures/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php




There are another 40 in the link...should you be so inclined.

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What of all the nasty things democrats say about republicans

Those "accomplishments" are not good for the USA

clax said:

What of all the nasty things democrats say about republicans

Those "accomplishments" are not good for the USA

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Aside from offing Osama, but he didn't do that, the navy did, way to go navy

clax said:

Aside from offing Osama, but he didn't do that, the navy did, way to go navy

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Repealing don't ask don't tell, that is his only accomplishment.

nationalizing the auto industry was not good, harassing Lybia is not good, making American citizens into criminals for not purchasing healthcare isn't good, those things are bad for or nation. He has attempted to ruin it. So yes he is an abject failure.

clax said:

Repealing don't ask don't tell, that is his only accomplishment.

nationalizing the auto industry was not good, harassing Lybia is not good, making American citizens into criminals for not purchasing healthcare isn't good, those things are bad for or nation. He has attempted to ruin it. So yes he is an abject failure.

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But then again that is my opinion

tecoyah said:

It is clear you have a certain mindset, which has no room for a larger picture.

That you can claim these things as "Not Good for the USA", places you in a category no longer worthy of attention. By doing so you are basically stating the following:

1) Warfare is good for the USA.
2) Discrimination is good for the USA. (in this case based on sexual orientation).
3) Less manufacturing is good for the USA.
4) A failed financial sector is good for the USA.
5) Having people fall into poverty because they are sick is good for the USA.

I simply do not agree with your opinions, and find them a bit repulsive.

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Welfare makes people subjects of the government.
I actually said that he was right to repeal don't ask don't tell.
Manufacture of inferior products for three times the price of better products is not good for any nation.
A free financial sector is better
Sick people fall poverty because medical costs are too high, not because I am not forced to purchase a product I don't need.

You can't handle people who disagree with you, why did you join a political forum.

And what of your lie that the demacrats did not slander the office when bush held it.

Dodging truth seems to be your greatest ability.

tecoyah said:

I joined this forum because I enjoy discussion, new points of view, and yes, even debate...my point was that your point of view is far from new, lacks room for debate, and discussion (when it occurs), is rather unpleasant.
As for my "Lie"...I believe I agreed that many bashed Bush...though slander was never mentioned or implied. Again you decide to place words into the mouths of others, or simply lack the ability to comprehend what was said.

To dodge a truth, one must be there to dodge...and as truth is often subjective, or confused with opinion the comment is rather weak...though the insult is obvious.

Thus....unpleasant discussion.

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There is plenty of room for debate, it is just that I think you lack the skill. You can't debate with spin. My point of view doesn't have to be new to be mine, that statement makes absolutely no sense.

You don't like my opinion, that is okay, but you just seem to take it personal that I disagree with you. I am an individual, and I can't help that your opinion is in opposition to mine.

The only reason this conversation is unpleasant is because you are intolerant to those that disagree with you.

tecoyah said:

Please indicate where I have shown intolerance... as I will apologize, you might instead note your own posts, though that is somewhat unlikely. The unpleasant nature seems to involve statements and accusation made by you, such as calling someone a liar for no apparent reason or claiming intolerance where there had been none.

Rather than allow you to attack my character, I believe it best to end this interaction...seems the fitting course.

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This post for one.

clax said:

He isn't subversive, he is decisive.

He is not subversive he is a republican, that is the way it is

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In a multi-ethnic, multi-national federation, division is subversion. The tribal wars didn't end until the 70s, the ethnic rioting didn't end until the 80s and a wave of Christian/Muslim sectarian violence has been sweeping this country for the last decade. I'd rather not make things worse by fanning the flames of division.