Who has the best chance vs. Obama?

myp · Jan 2, 2012

If it were only about picking the best opponent vs. Obama who do you think it would be? On the flip side, who do you think the Obama campaign is hoping wins?

The generic Republican vs. Obama numbers are extremely close right now according to Rasmussen which had them at 45% to 44% in Obama's favor on December 20th: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../election_2012_obama_45_generic_republican_44

Edit: This poll actually looks at specific candidates vs. Obama, but the polls are from different times (scroll down a bit to see the chart): http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...sidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups It has only Romney above Obama.

Comet · Jan 2, 2012

Mr. Romney has the best odds of defeating Obama. Put Mr. Paul up there too, due to his appeal with Libertarians, Independents and moderates from both sides of the aisle.

If I were Obama, I would pray for Perry, Gingrich or Bachmann. Both would do extremely poor against him.

netanyahoo · Jan 3, 2012

Bill Oreilly or Sean Hannity ....

myp said:
If it were only about picking the best opponent vs. Obama who do you think it would be? On the flip side, who do you think the Obama campaign is hoping wins?

The generic Republican vs. Obama numbers are extremely close right now according to Rasmussen which had them at 45% to 44% in Obama's favor on December 20th: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../election_2012_obama_45_generic_republican_44

Edit: This poll actually looks at specific candidates vs. Obama, but the polls are from different times (scroll down a bit to see the chart): http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...sidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups It has only Romney above Obama.

Bill Oreilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Lim.. have a chance.

Patrick · Jan 3, 2012

The lib media has furiously promoted the "only Romney can win" myth, because if they succeed in convincing people of it, the "worst" libs end up with after the election is a RINO - in other words, the same scheme they successfully used in 2008.

Once conservative strength coalesces around one candidate, Romney will fade. When Reagan was running in 1980, the media and other libs were trying to promote the same idea, that a REAL conservative couldn't win, but he won in a landslide. And it was in similar circumstances - a liberal president presiding over a devastated economy. The lib media promoted RINO Bush 1, who defeated Reagan in the Iowa caucuses, but he didn't with the nomination.

Americans need to be presented with a clear choice, and then they'll not choose to continue the failed policies of the last three years.

David · Jan 3, 2012

Patrick said:
The lib media has furiously promoted the "only Romney can win" myth, because if they succeed in convincing people of it, the "worst" libs end up with after the election is a RINO - in other words, the same scheme they successfully used in 2008.

Once conservative strength coalesces around one candidate, Romney will fade. When Reagan was running in 1980, the media and other libs were trying to promote the same idea, that a REAL conservative couldn't win, but he won in a landslide. And it was in similar circumstances - a liberal president presiding over a devastated economy. The lib media promoted RINO Bush 1, who defeated Reagan in the Iowa caucuses, but he didn't with the nomination.

Americans need to be presented with a clear choice, and then they'll not choose to continue the failed policies of the last three years.

I'd agree but the TP ruined the Repub brand for most Americans. I'm expecting an Obama victory with a strong showing by an independent or 3rd party candidate.

myp · Jan 3, 2012

Patrick said:
The lib media has furiously promoted the "only Romney can win" myth, because if they succeed in convincing people of it, the "worst" libs end up with after the election is a RINO - in other words, the same scheme they successfully used in 2008.

Once conservative strength coalesces around one candidate, Romney will fade. When Reagan was running in 1980, the media and other libs were trying to promote the same idea, that a REAL conservative couldn't win, but he won in a landslide. And it was in similar circumstances - a liberal president presiding over a devastated economy. The lib media promoted RINO Bush 1, who defeated Reagan in the Iowa caucuses, but he didn't with the nomination.

Americans need to be presented with a clear choice, and then they'll not choose to continue the failed policies of the last three years.

You think Rasmussen rigs their methodology let alone is liberal leaning? Lol. It has gotten endorsements from Fox, WSJ, etc. in the past and been criticized as "conservative-leaning" It also came closest to the actual results in 2008 if I remember correctly.

Patrick · Jan 3, 2012

myp said:
You think Rasmussen rigs their methodology let alone is liberal leaning? Lol. It has gotten endorsements from Fox, WSJ, etc. in the past and been criticized as "conservative-leaning" It also came closest to the actual results in 2008 if I remember correctly.

A "generic republican" poll is worse than meaningless, it's STUPID.

As for the individual matchups - they're meaningless at this point. The lib media gives obama AND Romney all the positive hype they can - if a conservative emerges the public will have a clear view of conservative solutions, whereas now, they have a vague picture, and are influenced by the incessant lib media hype that only Romney can win.

myp · Jan 3, 2012

Patrick said:
A "generic republican" poll is worse than meaningless, it's STUPID.

The first post has links for the generic poll as well as the individual ones...

Romney2012 · Jan 4, 2012

Mitt Romney. His campaign is the strongest, he has good national awareness, and he has a solid platform.

skeptic-f · Jan 4, 2012

Fallacy of the Right

Patrick said:
The lib media has furiously promoted the "only Romney can win" myth, because if they succeed in convincing people of it, the "worst" libs end up with after the election is a RINO - in other words, the same scheme they successfully used in 2008.

Once conservative strength coalesces around one candidate, Romney will fade. When Reagan was running in 1980, the media and other libs were trying to promote the same idea, that a REAL conservative couldn't win, but he won in a landslide. And it was in similar circumstances - a liberal president presiding over a devastated economy. The lib media promoted RINO Bush 1, who defeated Reagan in the Iowa caucuses, but he didn't with the nomination.

Americans need to be presented with a clear choice, and then they'll not choose to continue the failed policies of the last three years.

Patrick repeats once again the tired fallacy of the Right. The truth is that the only electors that truly matter in America are the Independents. The Republican versus Democrat turn out can effect the margin of victory and the make-up of Congress, but it is the Independent vote that grants victory to the Presidential candidate. So unless Patrick can find a real conservative that also truly emulates Reagan (Reagan was surprisingly moderate in many of his positions) the choice of a REAL conservative will only guarantee a second term for President Obama (assuming the economy improves rather than declines).

myp · Jan 4, 2012

skeptic-f said:
Patrick repeats once again the tired fallacy of the Right. The truth is that the only electors that truly matter in America are the Independents. The Republican versus Democrat turn out can effect the margin of victory and the make-up of Congress, but it is the Independent vote that grants victory to the Presidential candidate. So unless Patrick can find a real conservative that also truly emulates Reagan (Reagan was surprisingly moderate in many of his positions) the choice of a REAL conservative will only guarantee a second term for President Obama (assuming the economy improves rather than declines).

The independents are most definitely important. Ronald Reagan was also more moderate and big government than I think many GOPers, including Patrick, seem to accept. That aside, I would not say that a real conservative with real solutions cannot appeal to independents. And my example here is Ron Paul and his strong independent and moderate support. Now I expect the rebuttal that he is not a "real" conservative, but he really believes he is as do I. It really depends on how far back in the history of American conservatism one looks to define what is and is not "real" conservatism.

Patrick · Jan 4, 2012

skeptic-f said:
Patrick repeats once again the tired fallacy of the Right. The truth is that the only electors that truly matter in America are the Independents. The Republican versus Democrat turn out can effect the margin of victory and the make-up of Congress, but it is the Independent vote that grants victory to the Presidential candidate. So unless Patrick can find a real conservative that also truly emulates Reagan (Reagan was surprisingly moderate in many of his positions) the choice of a REAL conservative will only guarantee a second term for President Obama (assuming the economy improves rather than declines).

Quit making yourself to appear a pussy by using the third person. It's just.....gutless. Conservatives matter plenty for the republican candidate - if it's Romney and all he has is the independents, he LOSES if the conservatives stay home in disgust on election day, or vote for a third party run by Paul. Reagan was surprisingly CONSERVATIVE: he was PRO-LIFE, one of the biggest deregulators in history, opposed the leftwing war on religion, and was probably the single biggest factor in bringing down the soviet union. He HUGELY built up the US military. He famously said that government was the problem, not the solution. What RINO wuss would say that now? He won two terms in two landslide elections. Save the faux history for idiots.

David · Jan 5, 2012

Patrick said:
Quit making yourself to appear a pussy by using the third person. It's just.....gutless. Conservatives matter plenty for the republican candidate - if it's Romney and all he has is the independents, he LOSES if the conservatives stay home in disgust on election day, or vote for a third party run by Paul. Reagan was surprisingly CONSERVATIVE: he was PRO-LIFE, one of the biggest deregulators in history, opposed the leftwing war on religion, and was probably the single biggest factor in bringing down the soviet union. He HUGELY built up the US military. He famously said that government was the problem, not the solution. What RINO wuss would say that now? He won two terms in two landslide elections. Save the faux history for idiots.

And today Democrats quote him every time a Repub tries to shoot down their 'stolen from Reagan's playbook' policies. Raising taxes on the rich and lowering them for the poor? Reagan said suggested that long before Obama.

Patrick · Jan 5, 2012

David said:
And today Democrats quote him every time a Repub tries to shoot down their 'stolen from Reagan's playbook' policies. Raising taxes on the rich and lowering them for the poor? Reagan said suggested that long before Obama.

As usual, nonsense from you - he never suggested any such thing. At his behest, congress reduced the top marginal income tax rate from 70.1% to 28.4%. What's in your head is worse than somebody who merely doesn't know what's he talking about - you get everything 180 degrees BACKWARDS.

skeptic-f · Jan 7, 2012

Speaking of which ...

Patrick said:
Quit making yourself to appear a pussy by using the third person. It's just.....gutless. Conservatives matter plenty for the republican candidate - if it's Romney and all he has is the independents, he LOSES if the conservatives stay home in disgust on election day, or vote for a third party run by Paul. Reagan was surprisingly CONSERVATIVE: he was PRO-LIFE, one of the biggest deregulators in history, opposed the leftwing war on religion, and was probably the single biggest factor in bringing down the soviet union. He HUGELY built up the US military. He famously said that government was the problem, not the solution. What RINO wuss would say that now? He won two terms in two landslide elections. Save the faux history for idiots.

How many conservatives are going to stay home and risk re-electing President Obama? Talk about a dog that won't bark! As for the man-god President Reagan:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ronald-reagan-record
http://thereaganyears.tripod.com/
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133489113/Reagan-Legacy-Clouds-Tax-Record

So you not only have a political antichrist (Obama), but a political savior who ascended into heaven (Reagan)? Sounds to me like you are confusing your politics with your religion.

Patrick · Jan 7, 2012

skeptic-f said:
How many conservatives are going to stay home and risk re-electing President Obama?

Probably almost all of them - what's the diff between a lib and a RINO? Very little. If the choice offered by the GOP is nothing but one RINO after another, then they represent nothing, serve no purpose but their own, and most people will see that and stay home.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ronald-reagan-record

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ronald-reagan-record
http://thereaganyears.tripod.com/
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133489113/Reagan-Legacy-Clouds-Tax-Record

http://www.politicususa.com/en/ronald-reagan-record

Thanks for the leftwing faux history, but I prefer REAL history thank you.

murshed123456 · Jan 7, 2012

I'd agree but the TP ruined the Repub brand for most Americans. I'm expecting an Obama victory with a strong showing by an independent or 3rd party candidate...

DodgeFB · Jan 8, 2012

murshed123456 said:
I'd agree but the TP ruined the Repub brand for most Americans. I'm expecting an Obama victory with a strong showing by an independent or 3rd party candidate...

The TP only made the Republican "brand" stronger. O'bama is the glue that should hold the TP and Republicans together. And in my opinion that 3rd party thing is a few years away. If we let Obama get reelected it is our own fault.

David · Jan 8, 2012

murshed123456 said:
I'd agree but the TP ruined the Repub brand for most Americans. I'm expecting an Obama victory with a strong showing by an independent or 3rd party candidate...

Plagiarism is illegal.

Patrick · Jan 8, 2012

murshed123456 said:
I'd agree but the TP ruined the Repub brand for most Americans.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight - someone finally stood up against the monstrous national debt that is destroying this country, and that "ruined" the GOP brand.

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