This is another of the colossal-sized leftwing failures. It was created by Jimmy Carter, america's worst president until the obama era, as a sop to the teachers' unions for helping get him elected. Of course, it hasn't done anything for education - the US remains in the lower ranks of the industrialized countries as measured on the TIMSS test scores. It needs to be dissolved.
Deconstructing Government: the education department
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And what would you replace it with? A private school providing the same education at triple the cost to students?
You can have public schooling without the Dept. of Education- it existed long before the Federal government got involved. In fact, it existed before this Federal government even existed- back when we were colonies.
As for private schools, there is an argument (and a logical one at that) that the cost would not be so high as some people think- for one you'd have many more schools and competition. Modern college education costs in the US are not a good example of costs in such a market because they are so high due to a variety of factors including increasing student expectations, increasing university marketing schemes, and a huge flow of money from the Federal government which keeps the machine rolling- at least until the bubble pops should there be one.
The education department doesn't need to be "replaced" with anything einstein, it serves no useful purpose whatsoever. As for your "triple cost", I have no idea what you're talking about, nor do I suspect does anyone else.
The education department doesn't need to be "replaced" with anything einstein, it serves no useful purpose whatsoever. As for your "triple cost", I have no idea what you're talking about, nor do I suspect does anyone else.
$4k lump sum per year for a cheep private school vs. maybe $1k in taxes for public school spread out over a year. So do you actually have a point or are you just going to keep spewing right-wing talking points?
Sources? And are you including the taxes paid by all Americans (including those whose kids aren't in school) because that is the true cost.
http://www.ourkids.net/private-schools-versus-public-schools.php
As for taxes, families that don't have students in the PS system shouldn't need to pay but this should go hand in hand with expanding the full-ride education to collage/university. So long as you don't lower taxes to buy votes the smaller tax base should be able to handle the extra cost (a law mandating that tax revenue matches the education budget should take care of that) while people that don't use public education don't get stuck paying for something they're not using.
No - what I'm doing with is trying to bring an obamabot up from an "F" level grasp to at least a "C-" grasp.
The costs of private education in the current boutique-type private schools has absolutely >>>NOTHING<<< to do with the price structure of a >>>UNIVERSAL<<< system run by large, competing, modern, specialized education companies.
Now, raise ANOTHER idiot non-issue.
Says the guy who thinks I'm an Obama supporter.
Yaaaa - you're a red meat conservative - ANYBODY can see THAT!
Yaaaa - you're a red meat conservative - ANYBODY can see THAT!
No, I'm a leftist. Why would I support a corporate sell-out who only cares about how much money he can make while trying to spin it as being pro-little guy. Why do you think he always reminds people he's rich when he demands tax increases on the top 5%? It's so nobody realizes he's setting himself up for a sweet retirement on the public dime. He's same as Bush only he'll be getting payed by Big Green rather then Big Oil. An actual leftist would of nationalized healthcare, made collage/university cheaper, nationalized Big Oil/Coal and dismantled the Fed Reserve.
Yep: The larger the Education Department has grown, the worse our education system has become. A blind man could see it.
It's amazing - in the free market, such colossally failing organizations would be efficiently removed by the market. In government, they just go on, sucking up tax money and giving employment to tens of thousands of incompetent time-serving drones.
The education dept. could disappear tomorrow with the wave of a magic wand, and it would do absolutely no harm to the legitimate aspects of the education system.
The government K12 systems need to be completely privatized. Parents should pay their own education bills, not shove them off on taxpayers who don't have school age children. Poor children can be given vouchers in the amount of the going rate of an average quality school. Incompetent teachers, long protected by unions, will be told to hit the bricks. All kinds of leftwing nonsense that has accumulated to pollute classrooms will be eliminated.
Replaced by true and honest right-wing knowledge, I presume. :giggle: And I do find it amusing that you think 1 of the most powerful unions is going to suddenly just disappear, those contracts will still be valid and the unions will still have the membership, money and political support they do now when the time comes to renegotiate them. Unless you plan on passing some union busting law but that'll never fly nationally and you know it.
I made no comment about the likelihood of removing the leftwing unions' death grip on american education, but americans have rid themselves of even more destructive forces in the past.
It all depends on the popular will:
Are americans going to continue a wayyyyyyy obsolete system?
Do they want to continue to rank near the bottom of international rankings of industrialized countries in student scores?
Do they want classrooms to continue to be liberal cesspools of Pee See, historical revisionism, crackpot trendy pedogogical methods, condom handouts, gay agenda brainwashing, grade inflation - while the rest of the world is rapidly leaving the US behind with REAL education?
Do they grasp the connection between a declining country and a failed school system?
Are they OK with older incompetent teachers protected by the seniority system, while bright younger teachers get layed off?
The school system is an example of you get what you deserve.
Then how would you change it? It's easy to complain about a system, but unless you and those like you have ideas it's all worthless talk.
While I agree with you on getting rid of the Dept. of Education, this statement has some ridiculous "problems" that are not actually problems.
1)Historical revisionism- eh. History will always be told in the writer's eyes. It will always have subjectivity.
2)Condom handouts- this has nothing to do with learning. Also, what is wrong with condom handouts if a college wants to do it? Many private schools do it too.
3) Gay agenda brainwashing- doesn't really happen. There is always bias so maybe some teachers might lean towards pushing it, but then you have the people against gay rights who balance it out on the other end.
4) Grade inflation- ??? Some of the biggest grade inflaters in the country are private schools. Not sure how privatizing schools will help with grade inflation at all. The market for the next level of schooling or employment usually knows the inflationary tactics of the schools from which it gets applicants- they can differentiate.
Oh and what is Pee See?
I ALREADY told you the ideas: dump the fedral education department, and create a universal privatized system. If you have questions about the details, speak up.
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