Should the U.S. intervene in Syria?Should the U.S. intervene in Syria?

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Should the U.S. intervene in Syria?

Mon Mar 28, 6:22 am ET New York – Bashar Al-Assad unleashes violence on protesters, and Joe Lieberman backs U.S. intervention. Hillary Clinton says no way. Who's right?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/213610
 
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nope

not overtly anyway

find out who the protesters are. are they pro-American or just anti-Assad/Iran?

can they win? can they establish a government? can they stabilize and control the state?
 

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By all means no! Just stop with the meddling and worry about our own problems- a toppling of the dollar will mean much worse consequences not only for US consumers but billions around the world too.
 
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Guess we could drop Joe Lieberman off with a sidearm, canteen, and bag of peanuts.:p
 
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Can we afford it?:unsure:

if we can pull them into our orbit away from Iran what price is too high?

Iran would have serious problem supplying Hezbollah. Which would weaken their position internally in Lebanon (an obvious good) and strengthen the Cedar Revolution proponents. A stronger Lebanon w/weaker Jihadist muslims means greater peace for the region.

States will soon need to make their choice - Iran or Israel. It'll be a tough pill to swallow for Sunni neighbors. Some of whom have already aligned (though not publically) w/Israel.

Peace in the region or at least stability with Iran checked by a Sunni block with a Israeli core (how weird and unlikely is that) is better than ignoring an opportunity to push Iran back.

Certainly we'd need to have a reasonable chance of success but there's a decent chance we'd get it from Egypt (once the new military government is in place) and Saudi Arabia and Jordan (if we'd quit fucking with them - stupidly) and certainly Israel and Lebanon would do what they can.

And don't read that to advocate boots on the ground. Covert assistance with special-ops crews, intelligence, military materiel, food and medicine and if things start rolling in right direction; air support. Iran cannot get there by air without entering either Iraqi or Turkish airspace. Neither will allow that. Our planes in Iraq would prevent any Iranian incursions (though if they tried it would be a great way for the US to reduce Iranian air assets) so air support would be intended to elminate Assad's air assets - such as they are.

It could be a vital domino that restabilizes the region... or not.
 
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if we can pull them into our orbit away from Iran what price is too high?

Iran would have serious problem supplying Hezbollah. Which would weaken their position internally in Lebanon (an obvious good) and strengthen the Cedar Revolution proponents. A stronger Lebanon w/weaker Jihadist muslims means greater peace for the region.

States will soon need to make their choice - Iran or Israel. It'll be a tough pill to swallow for Sunni neighbors. Some of whom have already aligned (though not publically) w/Israel.

Peace in the region or at least stability with Iran checked by a Sunni block with a Israeli core (how weird and unlikely is that) is better than ignoring an opportunity to push Iran back.

Certainly we'd need to have a reasonable chance of success but there's a decent chance we'd get it from Egypt (once the new military government is in place) and Saudi Arabia and Jordan (if we'd quit fucking with them - stupidly) and certainly Israel and Lebanon would do what they can.

And don't read that to advocate boots on the ground. Covert assistance with special-ops crews, intelligence, military materiel, food and medicine and if things start rolling in right direction; air support. Iran cannot get there by air without entering either Iraqi or Turkish airspace. Neither will allow that. Our planes in Iraq would prevent any Iranian incursions (though if they tried it would be a great way for the US to reduce Iranian air assets) so air support would be intended to elminate Assad's air assets - such as they are.

It could be a vital domino that restabilizes the region... or not.
I don't believe there is anyway to "stabilize" that region. With all the blood and money that has been wasted they just don't want it bad enough. They all have their own idea of "freedom". Remember back in the day we helped Afghanistan fight off the Russians. That did not turn out as expected. And then there was the time we helped our buddy Saddam Hussein. We can keep spending ourselves into hell and it will do no good. They will use our help, weapons, food, but deep down they will always hate us. We need to take care of things at home and let them take care their own. Like so many keep saying? Who the hell made the US the world's policeman?
 
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Hilary Clinton, has said the US will not intervene in Syria in the way it has in Libya. She said it was not yet clear how the situation in Syria would develop, and indicated that the violence was not at the same level as in Libya.
 
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obtuseobserver,

nope

not overtly anyway

find out who the protesters are. are they pro-American or just anti-Assad/Iran?

can they win? can they establish a government? can they stabilize and control the state?
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All the right questions and the right answer!

You'll never fit inside the beltway. Too many gray cells.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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I don't believe there is anyway to "stabilize" that region. With all the blood and money that has been wasted they just don't want it bad enough. They all have their own idea of "freedom". Remember back in the day we helped Afghanistan fight off the Russians. That did not turn out as expected. And then there was the time we helped our buddy Saddam Hussein. We can keep spending ourselves into hell and it will do no good. They will use our help, weapons, food, but deep down they will always hate us. We need to take care of things at home and let them take care their own. Like so many keep saying? Who the hell made the US the world's policeman?

You never, ever, helped anyone but yourselves, and you did that largely - especially by revolting from paying for wars fought in your defence and joining other wars when the main fighting had been done, to pick up what you could, like vultures. People don't like exploitive, hypocritical prating bullies - you're right
 
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Can the US intervene to Syria, now ? While China, Russia, Iraq, İran etc support Esad as politically and materially ?




Turkey is an ally of Iran. Just saying.

Not at all, Turkey will never allow such a thing.
 
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I dont think we should have messed with them to begin with, leave egypt to it's own also. Don't know why we went there either.
 
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Not at all, Turkey will never allow such a thing.

Why hasn't Israel, backed by the US and all of the Arab powers (so far as Iran goes) not attacked Iran? Because the Turks would come down on them like a ton of bricks. That may not have been true 2 years ago but Turkey isn't exactly a friend of Israel's after that mishap with the aid flotilla.
 
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Why hasn't Israel, backed by the US and all of the Arab powers (so far as Iran goes) not attacked Iran? Because the Turks would come down on them like a ton of bricks. That may not have been true 2 years ago but Turkey isn't exactly a friend of Israel's after that mishap with the aid flotilla.

I don't know what exactly İsrail is planing to do with İran but, certainly Turkey isn't a part of their issue. Maybe Turkey is not friend of İsrail but not also an enemy too. I want to remind you that Turkey allowed Nato defense radar system too close to the İran borders just a few mounth ago. And everyone knows that it s a threat aganist İran and protection aganist their rockets.


The relationship between two country can not be the same, unless İsrail officially apologize for killing civil activits, that's right but it doesn't mean Turkey became an enemy.
 
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I don't know what exactly İsrail is planing to do with İran but, certainly Turkey isn't a part of their issue. Maybe Turkey is not friend of İsrail but not also an enemy too. I want to remind you that Turkey allowed Nato defense radar system too close to the İran borders just a few mounth ago. And everyone knows that it s a threat aganist İran and protection aganist their rockets.


The relationship between two country can not be the same, unless İsrail officially apologize for killing civil activits, that's right but it doesn't mean Turkey became an enemy.

Of course Turkey let NATO set up radar stations, Turkey IS NATO.
 
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Of course Turkey let NATO set up radar stations, Turkey IS NATO.


Decisions are taken with the consent of all members at NATO. İf Turkey is an ally of İran as you said, why allowed the decision and missile system aganist this country ?

For that reason, I wanted to remind that.


On the other hand, Iranian officials are opposing to Turkey's policy on Syria,Iraq,Egypt and almost on all middle east.
 
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Decisions are taken with the consent of all members at NATO. İf Turkey is an ally of İran as you said, why allowed the decision and missile system aganist this country ?

For that reason, I wanted to remind that.


On the other hand, Iranian officials are opposing to Turkey's policy on Syria,Iraq,Egypt and almost on all middle east.

Do keep in mind that the US and Canada each drew up plans for the invasion of the other despite being allies (the plans were abandoned after WW2). American prisons are are filled with Israeli (allies of the US) spies. I could go on but my point is made I think. Turkey has competing alliances and is truly friendly with most of them, the fact that they juggle their duties to their rival allies only proved the Turks are masters of the diplomatic arts.

And everyone opposes Turkey's plans for Syria as their goal is conquest rather then liberation.
 
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