Do you think religion should be taught at schools?

[clax]

You clearly have no idea how evolution works yet you insist on bashing that too. I don't understand how one can be so conceited, so self-absorbed, so proud that they can openly bash things they haven't even taken the time to slightly understand.

You have a terrible habit of reacting emotionally, I never bashed evolution, I know this terrible debate tactic you use frankly I thought you were above it.

I completely accept evolution, as much as we know about it now.

I just can't see how saying we evolved from a puddle of ooze effects anything, you say something about genetics and it doesn't even relate

You don't understand the argument

 

[myp]

You have a terrible habit of reacting emotionally, I never bashed evolution, I know this terrible debate tactic you use frankly I thought you were above it.

I reacted emotionally? Read the post 4 above it

I just can't see how saying we evolved from a puddle of ooze effects anything, you say something about genetics and it doesn't even relate

It absolutely relates, you either just don't understand evolution enough to realize it or you don't have the deductive skills to see it. You never want to listen to facts or pay attention to studies and evidence though, so I won't bother with that this time.

 

[clax]

I don't. I said they might have. Which is why you can't call them intelligent for it. You don't have the proof. Even if you did though, it isn't a very hard thing to deduce logically in my opinion. Occam's razor.

it isn't hard for you, because you live now, and all of those questions have been asked and answered, you just pretend that it is obvious, but you completely negate context of time that is previously the reason I say you are arrogant. You haven't aquired any knowledge on your own you haven't formulated any theories. But you act as though it is you're knowledge.

It is equally logical to assume one our the other, but you argue that is illogical

 

[myp]

it isn't hard for you, because you live now, and all of those questions have been asked and answered, you just pretend that it is obvious, but you completely negate context of time that is previously the reason I say you are arrogant. You haven't aquired any knowledge on your own you haven't formulated any theories. But you act as though it is you're knowledge.

It is equally logical to assume one our the other, but you argue that is illogical

Not true because it is a stupid question and either way, your conclusion is an opinion

 

[clax]

I reacted emotionally? Read the post 4 above it

You falsify said I bashed something. What purpose would you have to make up such a lie

It absolutely relates, you either just don't understand evolution enough to realize it or you don't have the deductive skills to see it. You never want to listen to facts or pay attention to studies and evidence though, so I won't bother with that this time.

Standard myp debate tactic. "you don't understand..."
get a better tactic, you don't understand.

You think origin of the species is what makes genetics legitimate? Because I think its genes, something that would exist regardless of what you think the origin of the spices is.

 

[clax]

Not true because it is a stupid question and either way, your conclusion is an opinion

So is yours

Btw, what question are you taking about?

 

[myp]

So is yours

Btw, what question are you taking about?

Exactly. Yours is an opinion which is why you can't use it as a basis for calling them smart I never made a claim one way or the other, but just said it is illogical to make yours.

 

[myp]

You think origin of the species is what makes genetics legitimate? Because I think its genes, something that would exist regardless of what you think the origin of the spices is.

It is all one thing. They aren't separate entities. How can you believe in genes, mutations, evolution, and then think there was nothing that man evolved from? You can't.

 

[clax]

Exactly. Which is why you can't use it as a basis for calling them smart

I never said they were smart, uh... What the hell are you talking about?

I said it was intelligent, by todays standard, no it isn't "smart" but you fail to understand English.

Again why did you make up that lie?

 

[clax]

It is all one thing. They aren't separate entities. How can you believe in genes, mutations, evolution, and then think there was nothing that man evolved from? You can't.

They are not entities at all. They are theories, again for the second time tonight I never said that man didn't evolve, I said it is a pointless theory. It serves no propose.

I still would like to know why you fabricated that lie.

 

[clax]

You clearly have no idea how evolution works yet you insist on bashing that too. I don't understand how one can be so conceited, so self-absorbed, so proud that they can openly bash things they haven't even taken the time to slightly understand.

This emotional outburst and complete lie, cite a place where I bashed evolution. Or are you allowed to offends people on you're board.

If you want to have a debate with a fundamentalist, you need to find one, I never bashed anything, I never even denied anything, Pp just said out is not important for school children to study. A cursory mention in science class is all it needs, and you carry on about genetics and medicine, and all this left field daisy picking. high school science class isn't about finding genetic cures for disease. That is what research labs do.

Again you go of on tangents not even related remotly to the topic. My question is why? Do you really need to be right that bad?

 

[clax]

Myp listen and read before calling me an idiot.

Why is it that high schools students can graduate bearly literate and bearly functioning in math skills but the most important debate to have is about something as trivial as the origin of the spicies.

Lets focus on the basics first and then when graduates from high school AR prepared for real life or college then we can have thus existential argument about the origin of the species.

What part of that says "the theory of evolution is stupid" or "God is the answer"?

A person needs to be able to read and write before they can be able to grasp the theory of evolution.

That's all I said.

Read before you react, mercy.

 

[Nemo]

"During the months that have passed since that September morning some have asked me what understanding of Nature one shapes from so strange a year? I would answer that one’s first appreciation is a sense that creation is still going on, that the creative forces are as great and as active to-day as they have ever been, and that to-morrow’s morning will be as heroic as any of the world. Creation is here and now. So near is man to the creative pageant, so much a part is he of the endless and incredible experiment, that any glimpse he may have will be but the revelation of a moment, a solitary note in a symphony thundering through debatable existences of time. Poetry is as necessary to comprehension as science. It is impossible to live without reverence as it is without joy." - Henry Beston, The Outermost House (1928)
. . .

I have read nearly all of the published works of Charles Darwin, and I think it can be safely said that he alone stands at the head of the very first rank of the greatest thinkers in the history of scientific inquiry. Still, much like Galileo before him, he has been criticized, demonized and ostracized by the most stupid and vulgar religious fakers that have never read his Origin of Species, which is no less a fundamental text as the Bible.

But unlike the Bible, Darwin’s theory of evolution is not a matter of belief, it is a scientific fact. There is no room for doubt. And, by the same proof, there is no doubt that "Intelligent Design" is only nonsense. (If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense.) What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolutionary process has been replicated in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.

 

[tecoyah]

"During the months that have passed since that September morning some have asked me what understanding of Nature one shapes from so strange a year? I would answer that one’s first appreciation is a sense that creation is still going on, that the creative forces are as great and as active to-day as they have ever been, and that to-morrow’s morning will be as heroic as any of the world. Creation is here and now. So near is man to the creative pageant, so much a part is he of the endless and incredible experiment, that any glimpse he may have will be but the revelation of a moment, a solitary note in a symphony thundering through debatable existences of time. Poetry is as necessary to comprehension as science. It is impossible to live without reverence as it is without joy." - Henry Beston, The Outermost House (1928)
. . .

I have read nearly all of the published works of Charles Darwin, and I think it can be safely said that he alone stands at the head of the very first rank of the greatest thinkers in the history of scientific inquiry. Still, much like Galileo before him, he has been criticized, demonized and ostracized by the most stupid and vulgar religious fakers that have never read his Origin of Species, which is no less a fundamental text as the Bible.

But unlike the Bible, Darwin’s theory of evolution is not a matter of belief, it is a scientific fact. There is no room for doubt. And, by the same proof, there is no doubt that "Intelligent Design" is only nonsense. (If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense.) What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolutionary process has been replicated in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.

Extremely well articulated....+2

and thank you

 

[clax]

That is absurd because one is based on scientific fact and the other is not. I am not bashing creation here, but I am just saying it is not based on scientific fact. You can't put the two on equal ground because of that.
.

Its only absurd because It causes you to restructure your belief system. there is absolutely no scientific fact that supports that like sprang forth magically from "Primordial ooze" the notion that an inanimate substance self actuated into being life is so incredibly laughable it is every bit as preposterous as a higher being's involvement, I would say it is far more preposterous to think it just happened with no cause whatsoever, if there was a cause, I am waiting to hear it.

the notion that DNA restructures itself just because with no involvement on a divine level is absurd entirely.

what is the cause of this mutation? and I beg you for the sake of your argument don't say I don't know but I know its not god. Or does the environment have some magical power to influence a molecular structure such as DNA? if it does have this power, where did it come from. explain to me why the DNA mutates, and remember the necessity isn't a reason.

without so much as a theory about the cause of genetic mutation aside from the feebly concocted notion that the environment effects DNA on a gradual scale verses an instant scale.

if it was "programmed" for lack of a better word into all DNA itself to not replicate but to improve, I ask you how can It be programmed without a programmer, or substitute any other sterilized word in for programming you wish, in this case they all mean the same thing.

I fail completely how to see such a perfect system being completely accidental. how not only can a molecule, DNA, self replicate unlike any other molecule but in fact improve on its last structure all absent intelligence. if anything that absolutely supports intelligence. we humans as intelligent beings have beaten evolution, no longer does our DNA adapts to our environment we adapt our environment to ourselves, At such a quicker pace, perhaps our intelligent design has altered our trajectory in evolution.

you are looking at it all so subjectively, try objectively, there is really no way around intelligent design aside from very poor and faulty theories only designed to further a political agenda.

Really myp forget everything about religion, and the political impact it has and truly look objectively, I don't think you are, otherwise you would see room not proof for a divine creator. but you simply must exit the box.

 

[clax]

I have read nearly all of the published works of Charles Darwin, and I think it can be safely said that he alone stands at the head of the very first rank of the greatest thinkers in the history of scientific inquiry. Still, much like Galileo before him, he has been criticized, demonized and ostracized by the most stupid and vulgar RELIGIOUS FAKERS that have never read his Origin of Species, which is no less a fundamental text as the Bible.

So religious fakers read and stand by the bible as legitimately as evolutionists stand against the bible?

creation is not in opposition to evolution, that is such a deluded point of view, if anything evolutionists seek to stamp out religion for purely selfish reasons. I completely accept evolution but absolutely believe in God. My position just blew a gaping hole in your statement.

the problem with evolution fundamentalism is that it demands all of religion to be the most fundamental, go state this to west borough baptist church, they will fight fundamentalism with fundamentalism. but don't you dare attempt to put everybody in the same box

But unlike the Bible, Darwin’s theory of evolution is not a matter of belief, it is a scientific FACT.

I would love to see these facts that everyone seems to ramble on about but never produce, I think they are as obscure as the so called facts in the bible.

There is no room for doubt. And, by the same proof, there is no doubt that "Intelligent Design" is only nonsense.

I absolutely do not doubt evolution is or ever occurred, yet I completely believe That it is through a divine intelligence that it was driven. the gap that you completely overlooked is what makes DNA non intelligently designed, because for it to have mutated , not only well enough to give rise to our intelligent race but to provide us with all that we need so completely, I am at a loss to what you really mean by "Intelligence".

(If it had any philosophical merit, one might be able to suffer it; but it is simple nonsense.)

complete opinion of no value or on topic to any discussion. If you want to be taken seriously don't pepper purely opinionated statements into an otherwise moot post

What matters is evidence: scientific data - not unsubstantiated belief. Evolutionary process has been replicated in speciation by hybridization in both plants and animals.

Another complete opinion, belief may not matter to you, but you are not the end all and be all of what matters. evidence of the evolutionary process may not matter at all, I can't think of any time I ever needed to know what my genetic ancesters were.

Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has been proven on the basis of scientific evidence and independently verified by Mendelian genetics. Only a fool would cling to faith in the face of empirical evidence and proof of its false belief.

I embrace Faith along with empirical evidence.

Only a fool? nice ad homienem to demonize people like myself that agree with the evolution theory but fail to see how it interferes in the slightest with any belief.

the only thing of value in this entire post is that it so eloquently sums up Fundamentalism.

 

[clax]

Extremely well articulated....+2

and thank you

terribly articulated, Its complete opinion of a person who not only is not a believer in any deity but several times demonized believers.

Why is it so impossible to mention evolution without attempting to stomp out religious beliefs, what on earth do these two things have anything to do with one another?

one is a choice, the other is a evidence based study, that do not in the least interfere with each other in an objective person's mind.

 

[tecoyah]

terribly articulated, Its complete opinion of a person who not only is not a believer in any deity but several times demonized believers.

Why is it so impossible to mention evolution without attempting to stomp out religious beliefs, what on earth do these two things have anything to do with one another?

one is a choice, the other is a evidence based study, that do not in the least interfere with each other in an objective person's mind.

Indeed they must "interfere" with each other, due to the fundamentally opposing viewpoints. A truly objective and fact based evaluation cannot decide that both are equally valid propositions, as you stated "
one is a choice, the other is a evidence based study". To accept the premise that creation follows, it becomes impossible to believe the evidence for evolution:

God made man out of mud, and woman out of a piece of man in moments.
~OR~
Man evolved from far less intricate organisms over very long periods of time.

God made the Earth out of nothing, and decided to wink the sun into existence because it was too dark
~Or~
The combination gasses and gravitation due to mass led to an eventual collapse of material which began a process of fusion we see all around our universe, forcing material to orbit around this new central mass point. The material over extremely long time frames collides, combines, and settles into a new planet.

God decided to create plants and animals to inhabit the Earth, and feed his mud people.
~Or~
Over Billions of years, atmospheric interaction with water and carbon changed complex chemicals into something new, forming stable Amino Acids that over extremely long time frames begin to combine into basic RNA. The inevitable result being more complexity and the possibility of life.

 

[Nemo]

http://www.politicalfray.com/showpost.php?p=7933&postcount=19

 

[Nemo]

"But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
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The Garden of Eden was an mythical paradise in which ignorance was bliss. However, when Adam and Eve were banished from the garden for eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, their ignorance was no excuse for violating God’s commandment. And ever since, their descendants, though the propagation of religious superstition, have been trying to make ignorance into a virtue.