Obama's offensive comment

[misterveritis]

In other words...No, you do not care to provide a link. or any other data that backs up your claim.

Allow me to assist you:

"
Socialist Party of America reveals 70 Democrats as belonging to their caucus

Rick Moran
Two things of note in this revelation. The first is the astonishing number of Democratic House members who not only belong to the Socialist Party of America, but even more incredible, don't mind if people find out about it."
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010"/08/socialist_party_of_america_rev.html

Though I do not know where you found the 53% number...as of 2010, this would be accurate.

70 out of 255 does not match your claim...but there are most certainly Socialist Democrats.

Imagine that. You found a post that is somewhat related to what I said. This was not a poll of the Marxists in the Congress who call themselves Democrats. It was among the general populace.

The fact remains that among democrats, in a recent poll, 53% view socialism favorably.

The nation is doomed. I do not believe we can overcome this.

 

[misterveritis]

Se, we agree. Socialism for me is helping the people who can't work (the sick, old and children) and letting workers have a major stake in how things are run. Deadbeats can starve as far as I'm concerned, nothing ruins my day like someone asking if they can buy lobster on food stamps (they can by the way).

That is not socialism. It is charity. When voluntarily done it is a wonderful thing. When the government forces me to do so it is tyranny.

Se, we agree. Socialism for me is helping the people who can't work (the sick, old and children) and letting workers have a major stake in how things are run. Deadbeats can starve as far as I'm concerned, nothing ruins my day like someone asking if they can buy lobster on food stamps (they can by the way).

If workers want a major stake in the way things are run then start your own company and let them. When the state forces a business owner to give up control it is theft.

 

[tecoyah]

Imagine that. You found a post that is somewhat related to what I said. This was not a poll of the Marxists in the Congress who call themselves Democrats. It was among the general populace.

The fact remains that among democrats, in a recent poll, 53% view socialism favorably.

The nation is doomed. I do not believe we can overcome this.

Okay....Hows this, you know you could have simply provided the link as requested they way most people do.

"(CNSNews.com) - According to a recent Gallup poll that asked participants if they have a positive or negative image of socialism, 53 percent of Democrats and “leaning democrats” said they have a positive image while 23 percent of Republicans and “leaning republicans” said their image is positive."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-53-percent-democrats-have-positive-image-socialism

 

[David]

Okay....Hows this, you know you could have simply provided the link as requested they way most people do.

"(CNSNews.com) - According to a recent Gallup poll that asked participants if they have a positive or negative image of socialism, 53 percent of Democrats and “leaning democrats” said they have a positive image while 23 percent of Republicans and “leaning republicans” said their image is positive."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-53-percent-democrats-have-positive-image-socialism

By his logic, 23% or Repubs are socialists. At least with Repubs, they actually have a history with socialism.

 

[misterveritis]

Okay....Hows this, you know you could have simply provided the link as requested they way most people do.

"(CNSNews.com) - According to a recent Gallup poll that asked participants if they have a positive or negative image of socialism, 53 percent of Democrats and “leaning democrats” said they have a positive image while 23 percent of Republicans and “leaning republicans” said their image is positive."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-53-percent-democrats-have-positive-image-socialism

This was both easy and current.

 

[misterveritis]

By his logic, 23% or Repubs are socialists. At least with Repubs, they actually have a history with socialism.

Extending my logic, from, if you are a Democrat it is likely you are a closet socialist given that over half view socialism favorably to if you are a Republican it is likely that you are NOT a closet socialist given that less than one in four views socialism favorably.

 

[tecoyah]

The favorable view of Socialism does not make make one a "Closet Socialist", as this implies you are actually a Socialist at heart and too embarrassed to admit it. I find some aspects of the Socialist model favorable, and others unacceptable...so I suppose you would consider me as Socialist.

Having a somewhat more complete understanding of my personal beliefs, I do not consider myself Socialist but realize you use the term as a derogatory way to debase those you might disagree with. Though I am neither a Democrat, or a Socialist...you are free to label me as you see fit.

Because I am an American, and so are You.

 

[David]

Extending my logic, from, if you are a Democrat it is likely you are a closet socialist given that over half view socialism favorably to if you are a Republican it is likely that you are NOT a closet socialist given that less than one in four views socialism favorably.

The Dems never elected a socialist, the Repubs did...

 

[elvisroy0000]

Obama is Prejudice against Blacks Whites anyone non Muslim especially Jewish and now he is Prejudice against the Mentally ill

 

[David]

Obama is Prejudice against Blacks Whites anyone non Muslim especially Jewish and now he is Prejudice against the Mentally ill

Blacks Whites? And if Obama hated Jews, he wouldn't be all buddy buddy with Israel or giving the Jewish Lobby the time of day. And that last part is just stupid, not giving crazy people guns isn't prejudice (Do you even know what that word means?).

 

[Jean]

Posted in wrong thread, so I removed it.

 

[Stonewall]

The President does seem to be prejudiced against prosperity.

 

[David]

The President does seem to be prejudiced against prosperity.

Do you know what the word means?

Also Obama is filthy, stinking rich so you can drop the 'class warfare' BS.

 

[clax]

That is not socialism. It is charity. When voluntarily done it is a wonderful thing. When the government forces me to do so it is tyranny.

He did confuse socialism with charity. Socialism is social ownership of wealth, meaning poverty for all.

If workers want a major stake in the way things are run then start your own company and let them. When the state forces a business owner to give up control it is theft.

That is against socialism.

 

[clax]

The Dems never elected a socialist, the Repubs did...

What Republican was socialist?

 

[David]

He did confuse socialism with charity. Socialism is social ownership of wealth, meaning poverty for all.

Socialism comes in many flavors but at it's most fundamental, it means a labor (as opposed to capital) dominated economy.

That is against socialism.

Not really, it was a constitutional right in the Soviet Union.

What Republican was socialist?

"Labor is the greater of capital..." Not a Marx quote.

 

[clax]

Not really, it was a constitutional right in the Soviet Union.



"Labor is the greater of capital..." Not a Marx quote.

not sure how that is socialism.

Socialism is the social ownership of wealth. Labor is the production of private wealth, or capital.

That is actually biblical

 

[David]

not sure how that is socialism.

Socialism is the social ownership of wealth. Labor is the production of private wealth, or capital.

That is actually biblical

Labor is work. Labor is the producer, not the product...

 

[JLetterman]

Obama said something during his second debate that offended me. He said that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. That comment suggested that every mentally ill person is capable of violence and that isn't true.

I'm mentally ill and I'm not violent. I've never committed a crime. I've never even gotten a jay walking ticket. My mom is also mentally ill and she's not violent either. She's one of the sweetest people alive. The majority of the mentally ill are harmless.

Yes, it's true that some mentally ill people are violent and those who show any signs of violent behavior shouldn't be allowed to own guns. But Obama didn't say that guns should be kept out of the hands of certain mentally ill people. He said that they should be kept out of the hands of all mentally ill people.

Obama obviously thinks that mentally ill people are dangerous and that's prejudice. Let me give you an example. Some women kill people with guns. Would it be fair if I said that because some women are violent that guns should be kept out of the hands of all women? Of course it wouldn't be fair. That would be prejudice. And saying that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill is just as prejudice.

Obama was trying to gain more votes with his second debate but he lost one. And if he offended other mentally ill people, he may lose more.

I agree with many of your sentiments because you really have to watch when you make a blanket statement like Obama did. I already dislike the man to begin with, but I'm answering this with as much of an unbiased opinion as I can offer. There are many different types of mental illness. While I believe he is correct to keep the guns out of the hands of the seriously mentally ill, I think there needs to be much clarity accompanying his statement. I think without further argument, that is obviously clear because of your original post.

 

[Protectionist]

Why do civilians NEED guns?

To defend themselves (some questions are so easy they can be answered in only 3 words).