Obama's offensive comment

Jan 2012
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Texas
I didn't say Republicans were socialists, I said they had a history with socialism. Look up the quote I gave you and you'll know who I'm talking about.

Just say who said it, I have no reason to doubt you.

One comment is really not a history of socialism.

What do you mean by "history'with'it"?
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Just say who said it, I have no reason to doubt you.

One comment is really not a history of socialism.

What do you mean by "history'with'it"?

I mean they had a socialist wing (the Grand Old Party being the conservative opposition) and elected a socialist (Lincoln as you seem to suck at American history).
 
Jan 2012
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5
Texas
I mean they had a socialist wing (the Grand Old Party being the conservative opposition) and elected a socialist (Lincoln as you seem to suck at American history).

I am not going to continue this until you loose the disrespect. It isn't necessary.

I never Sid you suck at anything i never once disrespected you in this forum. Acting like a child because you bonny agree is beneath me and my standard. I think you are in the edge of the guidelines of this forum also.

This bs doesn't help your case,

If you can respond civilly i will continue this discussion, but i refuse to fed trolls.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Obama - a Marxist Class Warrior

Do you know what the word means?

Also Obama is filthy, stinking rich so you can drop the 'class warfare' BS.
Radical Barack, like Radical Karl is a class warrior. He uses class warfare every day. And it is working because about half of the nation, the Democrats mostly, are comfortable with socialism.

I suppose we are all about to get a real taste of Democratic-socialism beginning in a few days. Barack's socialist designs for heath care seem unstoppable. Oh goody. Just like in the former Soviet Union everyone will have a right to health care most will hear the medical politburo say "Nyet" to their particular procedure.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
"Labor is the greater of capital..." Not a Marx quote.
No doubt taken out of context...Labor is one means of accumulating capital.
And progressive taxes are one way of siphoning the wealth away so the only entity with capital becomes the government. One cannot have capitalism without the ability to accumulate capital.
 
Dec 2012
518
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Madison, AL
A. Lincoln. Socialist? Too funny

I mean they had a socialist wing (the Grand Old Party being the conservative opposition) and elected a socialist (Lincoln as you seem to suck at American history).
LOL. Yes, I have been to the blog. He taxed the rich. At 3% they could still accumulate capital. So no. Not socialist. A 39.6% tax on the rich. I believe the intent is to destroy the rich. No capital. No capitalism.

What else ya got?
 
Jan 2012
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Iowa-Nebraska border
Ceris asked why civilians need guns.

Many of us live in rural areas where law enforcement is far away. A neighbor witnessed a drug deal while looking for a place to erect his deer blind. A man shot at knee level and told him if he told what he had seen, they would return and kill him.

Our neighbor called the sherrif who told him to carry a gun for awhile. Our neighbor's home was so isolated no one would be able to help him in time.

Half of the teachers in a Texas school are armed, and the student body doesn't know who has the weapons. They are over a half hour away from the nearest law enforcement.

Sometimes, rabid animals appear too.
 
Jan 2012
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Iowa-Nebraska border
Studies show a large percentage of shooters have emotional problems. Apparently "sane" people also commit mass murder. I am conflicted. On one hand, I think we should have mental health based restrictions on gun ownership. But on the other hand, authorities could use alleged mental disorders for political reasons as the Soviets did with their mental health system.
 
Jun 2012
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Stuart
This one would be hard. I don't like to see the rights of a U.S. citizen be taken away. Though I have a problem with putting a weapon in the hand of an unstable person. I think there should be a system of degrees for mental illness. A scale so to speak those who tip the scale should not be allowed to have a weapon.

In all honesty many of us have suffered with some form of Mental Illness at some point in our lives.
 
Jan 2012
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Texas
This one would be hard. I don't like to see the rights of a U.S. citizen be taken away. Though I have a problem with putting a weapon in the hand of an unstable person. I think there should be a system of degrees for mental illness. A scale so to speak those who tip the scale should not be allowed to have a weapon.

In all honesty many of us have suffered with some form of Mental Illness at some point in our lives.

Federal government has laws against a mentally unstable person owning a gun. Certain mental illnesses, during from a stroke may leave you mentally less well but not more likely tomurder someone.
 
Jun 2012
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Stuart
Federal government has laws against a mentally unstable person owning a gun. Certain mental illnesses, during from a stroke may leave you mentally less well but not more likely tomurder someone.

Yet they don't keep people who are mental ill such as a man with Multiple Personality from owning a gun.

A stroke in all honesty is really not a mental illness. I would consider it a physical ailment that can damage the brain. A stroke will not make you a sociopath or a killer. A stroke effects your ability to operate your body properly due to brain damage. Not many people who have them turn in to killing machines after strokes.
 
Dec 2012
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whoa, your taking his words and molding them into something that he didn't mean. Let's face it, some one his is mental might not be able to understand the dangers of guns. Not that there going to go around killing people, but they might hurt themselves or possibly others due to a sheer accident.
 
Jan 2013
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To the OP: I believe that the fact that you are on this site and participating implies that you are a very high functioning "mentally ill" person. Secondly, when the president said that he wanted to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill I'm sure that he meant persons who have been legally deemed unstable or insane. Just like every gun owner isn't a killer not every person deemed mentally ill is insane.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
Please refrain from calling others derogatory things...even should you be qualified to diagnose such.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
By that logic, you shouldn't tell a sneezing person they're sick.


If you happen to be the doctor that diagnoses a dis-ease...and are in your office, you certainly should. You are not a doctor, and are in someone elses office.

Perhaps a little consideration is in order here.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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tecoyah, did you read the OP? The guy said he was mentally ill- al101 was referring to that.

I read it and replied:

As a citizen of the United States, I would prefer those considered unstable (mentally Ill), not be given the means to shoot me. This is not meant to offend anyone, but is absolutely true.

I would not give a razor blade to a toddler either...minimize risk.

I understand the reference, and was simply trying to keep it civil.
 
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Jan 2013
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Obama said something during his second debate that offended me. He said that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. That comment suggested that every mentally ill person is capable of violence and that isn't true.

I'm mentally ill and I'm not violent. I've never committed a crime. I've never even gotten a jay walking ticket. My mom is also mentally ill and she's not violent either. She's one of the sweetest people alive. The majority of the mentally ill are harmless.

Yes, it's true that some mentally ill people are violent and those who show any signs of violent behavior shouldn't be allowed to own guns. But Obama didn't say that guns should be kept out of the hands of certain mentally ill people. He said that they should be kept out of the hands of all mentally ill people.

Obama obviously thinks that mentally ill people are dangerous and that's prejudice. Let me give you an example. Some women kill people with guns. Would it be fair if I said that because some women are violent that guns should be kept out of the hands of all women? Of course it wouldn't be fair. That would be prejudice. And saying that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill is just as prejudice.

Obama was trying to gain more votes with his second debate but he lost one. And if he offended other mentally ill people, he may lose more.

I think that's a great point, Mr. Johnson. Gun ownership is a fundamental right-- really it is a human right-- no different than speech or religion. The government has no business prohibiting the so-called mentally ill from owning firearms. I am likewise offended on the behalf of your and other honest, law-abiding, nonviolent people like yourself who just happen to have certain mental difficulties outside the mainstream. This does not make those who experience mental problems any less human, and they are fully entitled to their right to own a gun, unless and until they have committed some crime worthy of having those rights taken away.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
I think that's a great point, Mr. Johnson. Gun ownership is a fundamental right-- really it is a human right-- no different than speech or religion. The government has no business prohibiting the so-called mentally ill from owning firearms. I am likewise offended on the behalf of your and other honest, law-abiding, nonviolent people like yourself who just happen to have certain mental difficulties outside the mainstream. This does not make those who experience mental problems any less human, and they are fully entitled to their right to own a gun, unless and until they have committed some crime worthy of having those rights taken away.

Yeah...we should wait for someone to do something stupid, then tell them they are bad. We should wait for someone to kill a couple folks while drunk driving, then say it's illegal. We should wait until someone rapes a 4 yr old before explaining it is not good. We should await the massacre at Colunbine before telling us all it is not a good societal choice.
 
Jan 2013
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Yeah...we should wait for someone to do something stupid, then tell them they are bad. We should wait for someone to kill a couple folks while drunk driving, then say it's illegal. We should wait until someone rapes a 4 yr old before explaining it is not good. We should await the massacre at Colunbine before telling us all it is not a good societal choice.

Despite your sarcasm, it's clear that what you are advocating is a violation of due process.
 
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