Ban on Smoking in Public Places ... how effective is it?

I think it is safe to say that not smoking will not harm you.

I'd have to agree with you deanhills - there are way too many other variables that could be at play. In any case, I'm all for a ban of smoking in public places.

I support the freedom to smoke anywhere and everywhere, public or private. One's health is a personal responsibility. With passive smoking, it is individual responsibility whom to befriend oneself with. With passive smoking in children, it is parental responsibility to keep their children from that environment. In an open area, there is little or no risk of passive inhalation. I also fully support the nullification of all laws restricting the use of marijuana (along with all other drugs). What you do to your body own body should be none of the Government's business.

However, i support groups that encourage people not to smoke. It's a filthy habit. I just reject all legislation against it.

Dirk said:

I support the freedom to smoke anywhere and everywhere, public or private. One's health is a personal responsibility. With passive smoking, it is individual responsibility whom to befriend oneself with. With passive smoking in children, it is parental responsibility to keep their children from that environment. In an open area, there is little or no risk of passive inhalation. I also fully support the nullification of all laws restricting the use of marijuana (along with all other drugs). What you do to your body own body should be none of the Government's business.

However, i support groups that encourage people not to smoke. It's a filthy habit. I just reject all legislation against it.

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I have to disagree. Florida is a far easer place to breath now that smoking has more or less been outlawed. Want to smoke? Go home, outside, a bar or a smoke shop where smoking is obviously the point. Otherwise keep your cancer sticks away from me.

David said:

I have to disagree. Florida is a far easer place to breath now that smoking has more or less been outlawed. Want to smoke? Go home, outside, a bar or a smoke shop where smoking is obviously the point. Otherwise keep your cancer sticks away from me.

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*lights spliff in contempt*

(kidding btw)

Hey, I'm not the libertarian here.

I'm allowed to be a bit authoritarian.

But seriously, i see legislation against such things as not only artificial but also an insult.

All legislation constitutes an artificial change. If smoking were made entirely unregulated, the smokers would "cloud up" the town square once again. What needs to change is the perception of this. That is why people need to organise for change that is not necessarily legislative.

It is an insult because it is a message from Government to individuals, which reads:

"Dear individual,

since it is evident that you are unable to restrain your imposed and sometimes involuntary destruction of your own metabolism, in certain environments, we have endeavoured to do so for you.

Love,
The Government."

Do you also propose to ban cars from public places? Do you also propose to ban motorbikes and other recreational or otherwise motorised vehicles from public places - with the exception of perhaps electric cars? The effects of this are comparable to taking bundles of fifty or more "cancer sticks" and smoking them collectively to the filter before switching to a subsequent bundle and continuing this for what is often some hours. Oh, and did i mention this is in relation to a single car? That is the equivalent - i mean this in the instance of passive smokers. With the smoker themselves, i presume we agree it is an individual responsibility?

David said:

Hey, I'm not the libertarian here.

I'm allowed to be a bit authoritarian.

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Fair is fair.

Dirk said:

But seriously, i see legislation against such things as not only artificial but also an insult.

All legislation constitutes an artificial change. If smoking were made entirely unregulated, the smokers would "cloud up" the town square once again. What needs to change is the perception of this. That is why people need to organise for change that is not necessarily legislative.

It is an insult because it is a message from Government to individuals, which reads:

"Dear individual,

since it is evident that you are unable to restrain your imposed and sometimes involuntary destruction of your own metabolism, in certain environments, we have endeavoured to do so for you.

Love,
The Government."

Do you also propose to ban cars from public places? Do you also propose to ban motorbikes and other recreational or otherwise motorised vehicles from public places - with the exception of perhaps electric cars? The effects of this are comparable to taking bundles of fifty or more "cancer sticks" and smoking them collectively to the filter before switching to a subsequent bundle and continuing this for what is often some hours. Oh, and did i mention this is in relation to a single car? That is the equivalent - i mean this in the instance of passive smokers. With the smoker themselves, i presume we agree it is an individual responsibility?

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I have no problem with people smoking, just not in public places (and in Florida, that's still legal, despite my own views, so long as your outside). And yes, I do support banning polluting cars, especially now that they've eliminated the plug-in issue with wireless electricity.

David said:

I have no problem with people smoking, just not in public places (and in Florida, that's still legal, despite my own views, so long as your outside). And yes, I do support banning polluting cars, especially now that they've eliminated the plug-in issue with wireless electricity.

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Yes, at the cost of your sperm, comrade.

I think banning polluting cars is only going to fall hard on the poor. And so i can't support such an act.

'Tis be why money must be abolished. It was great when trying to make the barter system more efficient but now it just gets in the way. How can the person doing backbreaking work be poor just because they have less of some arbitrary and worthless paper then someone else?

We're in the 21st century using a pre-capitalist means of economic exchange and people wonder why the economy sucks...

David said:

'Tis be why money must be abolished. It was great when trying to make the barter system more efficient but now it just gets in the way. How can the person doing backbreaking work be poor just because they have less of some arbitrary and worthless paper then someone else?

We're in the 21st century using a pre-capitalist means of economic exchange and people wonder why the economy sucks...

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Someday, money will be abolished as the rationing system it is.

Oh, and just to be bitchy, the Federal Reserve guarantees the worthlessness of their notes!

Dirk said:

Someday, money will be abolished as the rationing system it is.

Oh, and just to be bitchy, the Federal Reserve guarantees the worthlessness of their notes!

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The worthlessness of the Fed is likely the only thing communist and fascists, socialists and capitalists, authoritarians and libertarians and liberals and conservatives can agree on fully and completely. Bankers and fat cats alone support it but they are also the ruling class and so it remains.

We need another Andrew Jackson, only less genocidal.

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The worthlessness of the Fed is likely the only thing communist and fascists, socialists and capitalists, authoritarians and libertarians and liberals and conservatives can agree on fully and completely. Bankers and fat cats alone support it but they are also the ruling class and so it remains.

We need another Andrew Jackson, only less genocidal.

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Haha! Quite. Also without the forced slavery of the Native american People...

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