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I simply don't agree. What happened after was even worse, it became stone cold dictatorship. And not only that but look what Russia did to all its neighbouring countries. Russias powersickness and expansion, it completely destroyed Eastern Europe and Central Asian countries.

The US was power seeking and expansionist and it completely destroyed North and South American nations.
 

GOP

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The US was power seeking and expansionist and it completely destroyed North and South American nations.

We were speaking of Russia? But the United States, like many European countries were on their expansion - but that was not last century! Russia's expansion ended 20 years ago.
 
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We were speaking of Russia? But the United States, like many European countries were on their expansion - but that was not last century! Russia's expansion ended 20 years ago.

Ended? They just claimed 90% of the Arctic just last year. :giggle: Not that we didn't take part in the Arctic Scramble ourselves.
 

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Ended? They just claimed 90% of the Arctic just last year. :giggle: Not that we didn't take part in the Arctic Scramble ourselves.

Well of course it's going to take for the Russians to understand that they can't grasp everything they see, but they got a real shock in 1991 when The USSR fell and several Eastern European and Central Asian countries became independent.
 
Jul 2009
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Well of course it's going to take for the Russians to understand that they can't grasp everything they see, but they got a real shock in 1991 when The USSR fell and several Eastern European and Central Asian countries became independent.

Why can't they? The invaded a NATO-applicant nation (Georgia) and didn't get anything worse then a few angry words from the Brits and Repubs.
 
Apr 2009
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Depends on whose side you were. I also can't understand how anyone can say a Revolution itself wasn't that bad. Had to have been bad for some people at least.

I was referring to the fighting.

And of course, any fighting will affect someone. But i'm honestly surprised the Bolshies could secure and control anything outside Moscow, just after the revolution. They were very unpopular.
 
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Why can't they? The invaded a NATO-applicant nation (Georgia) and didn't get anything worse then a few angry words from the Brits and Repubs.
Shows you how unpredictable the Russians are. Putin may present a "together picture" to the rest of the world, but I don't think this country could ever be underestimated for its military surprises. It history speaks for itself.
 
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I was referring to the fighting.

And of course, any fighting will affect someone. But i'm honestly surprised the Bolshies could secure and control anything outside Moscow, just after the revolution. They were very unpopular.
Maybe it was because they did it by force, and things had been so chaotic before the October Revolution that most of Russia capitulated. Except of course the non-ethnic parts of the Russian Empire like the Ukraine and Estonia who resisted and went independent.
 

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Why can't they? The invaded a NATO-applicant nation (Georgia) and didn't get anything worse then a few angry words from the Brits and Repubs.

I said that's going to take a long time. The Russian power sickness is a never ending story to date, but hopefully someone in the future will stop them forever. It's going to be difficult, and electing Putin ten years ago was most definitely not the step in the right direction!

Shows you how unpredictable the Russians are. Putin may present a "together picture" to the rest of the world, but I don't think this country could ever be underestimated for its military surprises. It history speaks for itself.

Exactly! Russia is probably the most unpredictable country I can mention at the moment, and through history. They're cold and smart, and they never want to realize a loss.
 
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Maybe it was because they did it by force, and things had been so chaotic before the October Revolution that most of Russia capitulated. Except of course the non-ethnic parts of the Russian Empire like the Ukraine and Estonia who resisted and went independent.

And the failed revolution to soften 'em up.

But they did have quite a bit of opposition from the social democrats and the Black Guard.
 
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And the failed revolution to soften 'em up.

But they did have quite a bit of opposition from the social democrats and the Black Guard.
I guess the Black Guard must be your favourite seeing that they were anarchists? This is a photo of Nestor Makhno, who commanded the Black Army, an anarchist army formed largely of Ukrainian and Crimean peasants and workers.

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A main obstacle to the anarchist army, and one which it never overcame throughout its existence , was a lack of access to primary industrial manufacturing resources, specifically factories capable of producing large amounts of arms and ammunition. Denied large-scale arms shipments from the Bolshevik government in Moscow, and without arsenal manufacturing centers of its own, the Black Army was forced to rely on captures of munition depots and supplies from enemy forces, and to procure food and horses from the local civilian population.

Source: Wikipedia
 
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Exactly! Russia is probably the most unpredictable country I can mention at the moment, and through history. They're cold and smart, and they never want to realize a loss.
Cold and smart is a good description. And keeping the West off balance as the West likes to interpret actions by what they can see more than what is hidden. History however has to be a very good study, and probably not to be underestimated.
 

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Cold and smart is a good description. And keeping the West off balance as the West likes to interpret actions by what they can see more than what is hidden. History however has to be a very good study, and probably not to be underestimated.

Absolutely! I think Russians love to be underestimated, so they can show themselves from their worst side.
 
Aug 2010
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what else is new? All of our career politicians promise everything to everybody to get elected and then spend all their time and effort and our money to stay elected. The stimulus was and is a con job. It is simply buying votes, not solving anything. Pappadave.
 
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what else is new? All of our career politicians promise everything to everybody to get elected and then spend all their time and effort and our money to stay elected. The stimulus was and is a con job. It is simply buying votes, not solving anything. Pappadave.

The stimulus did quite a bit actually. Come '14, FL will be a great place to vacation/do business. :D Why? Because stimulus money has allowed us to rebuild our infrastructure and to even improve it, to attract travel agencies to our tourism attractions and to encourage high-tech industry to move here.

The same can be said for most other states as well. As for the 'pointless' spending, let's look at spending to track the salmon population. It will help increase harvest yield, maintain satiability of the fishery and help maintain and grow a multi-million dollar industry, not so pointless.

The stimulus did quite a bit... Unless the gov't doing something right is bad for your political agenda.
 

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The stimulus did quite a bit actually. Come '14, FL will be a great place to vacation/do business. :D Why? Because stimulus money has allowed us to rebuild our infrastructure and to even improve it, to attract travel agencies to our tourism attractions and to encourage high-tech industry to move here.
With no where near the efficiency in growth that the private sector would have done it is had it been able to keep that money. Besides, how many people are really planning big vacations during a time of recession? The Broken Window fallacy applies here too.

As for the 'pointless' spending, let's look at spending to track the salmon population. It will help increase harvest yield, maintain satiability of the fishery and help maintain and grow a multi-million dollar industry, not so pointless.
If it is so beneficial for those salmon companies, they would have thought of and done it themselves. The government and the people's money is not needed for something that the fish companies could have done themselves if they saw it as a good investment.

The stimulus did quite a bit... Unless the gov't doing something right is bad for your political agenda.
It also added billions to the debt, increased regulation in certain areas, fueled growth in weak areas that were not necessary, fueled a lot of waste, and increased the bureaucracy. There is an argument on both sides and the argument that it did more bad than good is not a crazy one (unless of course it's bad for your political agenda :p)
 
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Absolutely! I think Russians love to be underestimated, so they can show themselves from their worst side.

An empire in its death throes trying to regain lost glory. The birth rates, alcoholism rates and other social problems have rotted the culture out from the core.

They may be able to temporarily hold western europe hostage with their gas and oil deposits but the more they try to leverage the more europe will follow France's example and rely on nuclear for their electricity. As populations decline the porous asian borders will suffer from pressures in China. Whether the state of China plays a role or of Russian welcomes peoples fleeing China to build a buffer is yet to be determined but the long term prognosis is very poor.
 
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The stimulus did quite a bit actually. Come '14, FL will be a great place to vacation/do business. :D Why? Because stimulus money has allowed us to rebuild our infrastructure and to even improve it, to attract travel agencies to our tourism attractions and to encourage high-tech industry to move here.

The same can be said for most other states as well. As for the 'pointless' spending, let's look at spending to track the salmon population. It will help increase harvest yield, maintain satiability of the fishery and help maintain and grow a multi-million dollar industry, not so pointless.

The stimulus did quite a bit... Unless the gov't doing something right is bad for your political agenda.

hmmm... I thought it was going to keep unemployment at or below 8%?

but, what it did was create some, as yet unrealized, economic opportunities in Florida?

For $800,000,000,000.00 think of all the hookers and blow we could have had. Clearly a failed policy.
 
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hmmm... I thought it was going to keep unemployment at or below 8%?

And you believed that? :eek: You really need to learn to tell the difference between promises that are real and politicking to make you vote for them.

Getting us out of recession was a real promise. Getting unemployment under 8% was to get the "The economy sucks!" vote that nobody with the slightest understanding of economics actually expected to happen, at least not right away.
 
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