For or Against Capital Punishment?

DodgeFB · Dec 7, 2009

David said:
Maybe but it's better then killing them, no?

I think fewer people would want the death penalty if "Life in prison" really was life in prison. But they keep the "revolving door" open. And when you see people come out of prison and kill, rape, and rob again and again something is wrong. When someone is arrested for murdering an innocent person and find out they have killed before and did less time than tax fraud they need a new plan. That is why I think anyone that has repeatedly killed should get death within 12 months.
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David · Dec 7, 2009

DodgeFB said:
I think fewer people would want the death penalty if "Life in prison" really was life in prison. But they keep the "revolving door" open. And when you see people come out of prison and kill, rape, and rob again and again something is wrong. When someone is arrested for murdering an innocent person and find out they have killed before and did less time than tax fraud they need a new plan. That is why I think anyone that has repeatedly killed should get death within 12 months.
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And what's with the resuscitations? Keep the prisoner health by all means but if they want to save the state money and kick the bucket on their own (I'm not talking about suicide) then let them!

DodgeFB · Dec 7, 2009

David said:
And what's with the resuscitations? Keep the prisoner health by all means but if they want to save the state money and kick the bucket on their own (I'm not talking about suicide) then let them!

I have always thought resuscitating anyone just to kill them later is wrong.

1. As you said if they die leave them alone and save money by getting it over with.

2. Even if you are against the death penalty would it not be wrong to bring them back just to kill them later?

As a side note: My wife and I have had do not resuscitate documents signed and notarized for the last 10 years. We keep them updated and one set on the wall at home and I carry a copy with me in the truck just in case. I do not take this lightly for anyone.

Dirk · Dec 8, 2009

DodgeFB said:
As a side note: My wife and I have had do not resuscitate documents signed and notarized for the last 10 years. We keep them updated and one set on the wall at home and I carry a copy with me in the truck just in case. I do not take this lightly for anyone.

I will do this, ask for a morphine overdose or get euthanasia, depending on the circumstances.

I don't see the point of prolonging my suffering. I'd really rather just have it over with, on my deathbed. My preferred option would be in my sleep, however that's induced. Painless.

deanhills · Dec 9, 2009

Dirk said:
Of course.

I'm just saying that your solution would be at the cost of workers' livelihoods.

Good point. Also, I wonder how safe it could be to provide murderers with work. Some of them are so bad they have to be kept in isolation from other prisoners. I still think death penalty is the best for prisoners like that. Has to be very expensive to keep them isolated like they do.

Dirk · Dec 9, 2009

deanhills said:
Good point. Also, I wonder how safe it could be to provide murderers with work. Some of them are so bad they have to be kept in isolation from other prisoners. I still think death penalty is the best for prisoners like that. Has to be very expensive to keep them isolated like they do.

The crime/punishment system has a lot of issues.

The US is going the wrong way about drugs.

Overflowing prisons - there are over 2 million people in the US prison system.

There is no effort in crime prevention.

The emphasis is on punishment, not rehabilitation.

Poverty, wealth inequality and class divides is rampant and is the prime mover of crime.

deanhills · Dec 9, 2009

Dirk said:
The crime/punishment system has a lot of issues.

The US is going the wrong way about drugs.

Overflowing prisons - there are over 2 million people in the US prison system.

There is no effort in crime prevention.

The emphasis is on punishment, not rehabilitation.

Poverty, wealth inequality and class divides is rampant and is the prime mover of crime.

I have to agree with you here. Add greed and corruption, overpopulation in a society that can't take care of its children as it should, does not take much to get really depressed about it.

el canadiano · Dec 12, 2009

I'm neutral, so I voted undecided. I believe in having a second chance, but I won't be against having someone choose capital punishment. Therefore, I'm against it when it's forced upon one convicted of a serious crime.

Nearly · Dec 27, 2009

I think it depends on what the crime committed is. Also, I think that whatever the person who committed the crime did, it should be done to them - so rape, they should be raped, murder, they should be murdered, tortured, they should be tortured etc.

However, what if capital punishment was in place, and the person convicted of the crime was innocent and was found innocent after he was killed?

JustHatched · Dec 27, 2009

As has been stated already, I am a firm believer in the death sentence. If someone murders, rapes, molestes (mispelled), or dealing to kids the shouldn't be allowed to breath the same air as the rest of us. As is now they get life sentences and either A: suck up tax dollars to feed them, or B: become eligible for parole so they can do it again. Or even worse, a judge barely gives them time at all, an example, just last week a local man was sentenced to 7 yrs for the shaking death of a 2 yr old. But with time served and good behavior he can be out in 2 yrs. Did he mean to kill the child, probably not, but that's no excuse, he should pay for that life with his own, that childs mother should be allowed to watch him fry.

Nearly · Dec 27, 2009

JustHatched said:
As has been stated already, I am a firm believer in the death sentence. If someone murders, rapes, molestes (mispelled), or dealing to kids the shouldn't be allowed to breath the same air as the rest of us. As is now they get life sentences and either A: suck up tax dollars to feed them, or B: become eligible for parole so they can do it again. Or even worse, a judge barely gives them time at all, an example, just last week a local man was sentenced to 7 yrs for the shaking death of a 2 yr old. But with time served and good behavior he can be out in 2 yrs. Did he mean to kill the child, probably not, but that's no excuse, he should pay for that life with his own, that childs mother should be allowed to watch him fry.

But what if it was an accident? It's not an excuse, it's a reason.

JustHatched · Dec 27, 2009

How do you accidentally shake a baby?

Dirk · Dec 27, 2009

Nearly said:
I think it depends on what the crime committed is. Also, I think that whatever the person who committed the crime did, it should be done to them - so rape, they should be raped, murder, they should be murdered, tortured, they should be tortured etc.

An eye for an eye... and the whole world goes blind.

~ Ghandi (I think)

JustHatched · Dec 27, 2009

Dirk said:
An eye for an eye... and the whole world goes blind.

~ Ghandi (I think)

I disagree, if someone knows for certain they would meet the fate the bring unto others, they may take a moment to contemplate their actions. Just cause Ghandi said it doesn't make it right.

Dirk · Dec 27, 2009

JustHatched said:
I disagree, if someone knows for certain they would meet the fate the bring unto others, they may take a moment to contemplate their actions. Just cause Ghandi said it doesn't make it right.

Ha. Ghandi was a hypocrite.

I just remembered the phrase. It's good. Also, i think we should make an effort to solve the causes of crime, rather than punishing it by murdering people!

Though "crime" is a very subjective term, of course. I think these things should be a matter of mutual respect, not legislation and regulations.

David · Dec 29, 2009

Dirk said:
An eye for an eye... and the whole world goes blind.

~ Ghandi (I think)

Ghandi also told the Jews to let the Nazis have their fun. Not the great man people make him out to be. A passivist, yes. A champion of Human Rights, not so much.

Edit: You know, I should read before posting. Had I done so, I would have seen you calling the man out already.

Moderate Union · Dec 29, 2009

Now that a doozy of a question. In Canada we have outlawed the death penalty. At the same time, it's possible that some Canadians would want to have cp reserved for the most heinous of crimes.

Dirk · Dec 30, 2009

David said:
Edit: You know, I should read before posting. Had I done so, I would have seen you calling the man out already.

Yah, I had the death of his wife in mind. Though the Nazi story had crossed my mind - that's much the same reason I still hold a grudge gainst the Catholic Church.

David · Jan 1, 2010

Dirk said:
Yah, I had the death of his wife in mind. Though the Nazi story had crossed my mind - that's much the same reason I still hold a grudge gainst the Catholic Church.

I've held a grudge eve since learning about the Crusades.

Nemo · Jan 1, 2010

It is part of the human psyche to seek revenge against enemies and transgressors. The philosophy of "tit for tat" (equivalent retaliation) is well documented by religious and historical reference. The Old Testament recognized the "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" - to do otherwise would be against human nature; and the Bible, for all of its superstitious nonsense, at least portrays man as he is. Only in the New Testament does Christ preach to turn the other cheek; but then he was an unworldly philosopher. Revenge gives us the illusion of evening the score; but the sad truth is, that by taking revenge, we have only added to the debit column.

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