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myp

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Why would you want a piece of graphite? You can get a 24k diamond for about $300, the big ticket rocks have their price artificially inflated by the demand cartel. Piratically speaking diamonds are good for anything other the industrial uses. As for the car, you could do better for cheaper by just building your own, you're paying for the name.

Well you just completely avoided the point Patrick was trying to make.
 
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Why would you want a piece of graphite? You can get a 24k diamond for about $300, the big ticket rocks have their price artificially inflated by the demand cartel. Piratically speaking diamonds are good for anything other the industrial uses. As for the car, you could do better for cheaper by just building your own, you're paying for the name.

Yaaaa - I can build a Rolls, no problem. :p Maybe if I want an ocean cruise, I can build a cruise liner boat in my back yard? :p

You're nuts.
 
Jul 2009
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Yaaaa - I can build a Rolls, no problem. :p Maybe if I want an ocean cruise, I can build a cruise liner boat in my back yard? :p

You're nuts.

Not at all. Unless you think they sell at a lose, it's simple math to know it's cheaper building it yourself. It's a bit incontinent and you won't get the same workmanship unless you're a great mechanic but it'll be cheaper.
 

myp

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Not at all. Unless you think they sell at a lose, it's simple math to know it's cheaper building it yourself. It's a bit incontinent and you won't get the same workmanship unless you're a great mechanic but it'll be cheaper.
It probably won't be cheaper. Time is a store of value just as money is. Spending more time on it=more value spent in building the car. The car will probably also be of worse quality if it is a novice doing it- that means less value for more value spent making it. That is why specialization in an economy is so great- everyone can do what they are best at.
 
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We need one party system - centrist

The american leftwing experiment is rapidly fading.

Instead of Lefties/Righties trying to act centrist, why not just have one centrist party and avoid election expense wastage. They are all crooks in some form or other. Obama is trying to act centrist but Righties will never be satisfied unless they get someone of their own in his place. Even clown 'W' was better than him in their eyes.
 
Jul 2009
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It probably won't be cheaper. Time is a store of value just as money is. Spending more time on it=more value spent in building the car. The car will probably also be of worse quality if it is a novice doing it- that means less value for more value spent making it. That is why specialization in an economy is so great- everyone can do what they are best at.

I actually said that myself. ;) I may be a hopeless idealists but I recognize the problems my ideas have.
 
Jul 2009
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So you recognize your ideas are flawed yet stick with them?

There not fatal flaws and so can be worked out so yes. But I'm not expecting to see my ideas implemented anytime soon and in the case of moving to a non-monetary economy I don't want to, it needs to be a sloe evolution otherwise the previously mentioned depression ill occur.
 
Mar 2009
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There not fatal flaws and so can be worked out so yes. But I'm not expecting to see my ideas implemented anytime soon and in the case of moving to a non-monetary economy I don't want to, it needs to be a sloe evolution otherwise the previously mentioned depression ill occur.
I have tried living well without money. I just can't get it to work.:unsure::p
 

myp

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There not fatal flaws and so can be worked out so yes. But I'm not expecting to see my ideas implemented anytime soon and in the case of moving to a non-monetary economy I don't want to, it needs to be a sloe evolution otherwise the previously mentioned depression ill occur.

They ARE fatal flaws. To suggest that anyone can have anything they want neglects the fundamental economic principle that the Earth has limited resources. To say that people can then "make" what they need neglects the tremendous benefits of specialization in an economy. It is most likely impossible anyway since people have always traded even when their governments and societies have frowned upon it- everyone is not built equally; some people are bad at doing some things and others are bad at other things- it becomes their interest to do what they are best at and then trade with the other guy. To suggest that we have the AI to run an economy without humans at all is blatantly untrue.
 
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They ARE fatal flaws. To suggest that anyone can have anything they want neglects the fundamental economic principle that the Earth has limited resources. To say that people can then "make" what they need neglects the tremendous benefits of specialization in an economy. It is most likely impossible anyway since people have always traded even when their governments and societies have frowned upon it- everyone is not built equally; some people are bad at doing some things and others are bad at other things- it becomes their interest to do what they are best at and then trade with the other guy. To suggest that we have the AI to run an economy without humans at all is blatantly untrue.
Should we ever get "the AI to run an economy without humans" I would guess would bring the end for humans.:p They would see us as very expendable and inefficient. But I could be wrong. I have already been wrong at least 3 times this year.;)
 
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They ARE fatal flaws. To suggest that anyone can have anything they want neglects the fundamental economic principle that the Earth has limited resources. To say that people can then "make" what they need neglects the tremendous benefits of specialization in an economy. It is most likely impossible anyway since people have always traded even when their governments and societies have frowned upon it- everyone is not built equally; some people are bad at doing some things and others are bad at other things- it becomes their interest to do what they are best at and then trade with the other guy. To suggest that we have the AI to run an economy without humans at all is blatantly untrue.

We have an asteroid belt, 7 other planets and dozens of moons we can mine. No need to restrict ourselves to this rock.
 

myp

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We have an asteroid belt, 7 other planets and dozens of moons we can mine. No need to restrict ourselves to this rock.
Oh brother. Do you have the tech in your backyard? Do you know of H2O or any system conducive to life (needed for many products) on those other planets? Do you know of a cost-effective way to mine and send anything we might be able to use back here so that the net effect is positive? If so, release the info and get your Nobel prize. If not, stop dreaming.
 
Nov 2011
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Presumably you grasp that if it's cheap for them, in one way or another it's a tax on society which must PAY for it, which tends to DEGRADE the society.

Why don't you apply that to other things?

"A person can't do work if he hasn't had enough food, so food should be cheap or free."

"We have a highly mobile society, in order to get everyone to function as efficiently as possible in that context, gas, cars, and air travel should be cheap or free."

"Computers have become the backbone of our society, therefore they should be cheap or free."

"A person can't work if they're sick, therefore medical care should be free."

Etc etc etc etc - think about it. :p Starting point: unless you ressurect slavery, nobody will provide all this stuff for free or below market price. Who pays for it?
You are ressurecting slavery . , when a man or a woman is working and getting meager wages that is slavery . but it doesn't need to be as you said by extrapolating "cheap education" . who ever told you that some one will pay for it more than another ? every thing you see on this world is paid for - regardless who is consuming it - by the working men and women . taxes wether they are income tax or any other form of tax , is added to the cost of product . and the product is the value added by work(er). for a start let those who ever they maybe who pay for wars , pay for health care and education , after all educating and training population is a similar investmant to re tooling a factory or plant .
And speaking of the "DEGRADE the society" ,Sweeden has a free health care and free education ,for all and they enjoy a good standard of living . so GET OUT OF YOUR IDEOLOGICAL COCOON .
 
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You are ressurecting slavery . , when a man or a woman is working and getting meager wages that is slavery . but it doesn't need to be as you said by extrapolating "cheap education" . who ever told you that some one will pay for it more than another ? every thing you see on this world is paid for - regardless who is consuming it - by the working men and women . taxes wether they are income tax or any other form of tax , is added to the cost of product . and the product is the value added by work(er). for a start let those who ever they maybe who pay for wars , pay for health care and education , after all educating and training population is a similar investmant to re tooling a factory or plant .
And speaking of the "DEGRADE the society" ,Sweeden has a free health care and free education ,for all and they enjoy a good standard of living . so GET OUT OF YOUR IDEOLOGICAL COCOON .

Just dealing with ONE of your idiocies: Sweden came out of WWII unscathed, and in a good position to prosper from the postwar boom, while other european countries who manfully stood up to the nazis had their cities leveled and their treasuries bankrupted from fighting the war. Sweden on the other hand collaborated with the nazis. They sold Krupp Steel their high-grade iron ore to make guns and bullet and tanks to murder tens of millions of europeans. They made out really good. They didn't have any war debt to to pay off. They also skipped the defense costs of defending western europe during the cold war - their "good standard of living" traces back to those things. Incidentally, I lived in sweden for six months in 2001 - almost nobody owns a house, they all live in apartments.
 
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Just dealing with ONE of your idiocies: Sweden came out of WWII unscathed, and in a good position to prosper from the postwar boom, while other european countries who manfully stood up to the nazis had their cities leveled and their treasuries bankrupted from fighting the war. Sweden on the other hand collaborated with the nazis. They sold Krupp Steel their high-grade iron ore to make guns and bullet and tanks to murder tens of millions of europeans. They made out really good. They didn't have any war debt to to pay off. They also skipped the defense costs of defending western europe during the cold war - their "good standard of living" traces back to those things. Incidentally, I lived in sweden for six months in 2001 - almost nobody owns a house, they all live in apartments.
I rest my case
 
Nov 2011
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Meaning you give up? (Like you had to tell me! :p)
NO I won . regardless of how they came out WWII unscathed or not , you don't dispute -but confirm- my point of there prosperity although they made education and health care free which you claimed " it tends to DEGRADE the society", and I gave you Sweden as an example contradicting your said claim .
surly you were not saying living in a rented apartment is degrading ?. it's there every were . the degrading things they don't have are unemployment , soup kitchens , homelessness and poverty .
 
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