Now that is really well said. I have not looked at it from that vantage point before and you are right on. All of the Dems buzz about wanting to change the process for the voting of the Bill speaks volumes about them "knowing best". If they would just take out some time to look at it from the point of view that they don't know, that may change the situation radically for the positive, and ironically win them some brownie points as well.
Why? Either is extremist? Neither government nor free enterprise have a monopoly on getting it right. Some things are better done by government for the sake of everybody.
Right "some things" not all things. For one, it is wrong for Government to interfere with the economy like it did last year when it did the bail outs of the large banks. And that did not only involve Government, but the wealthy as well, as of course Obama was listening to consultants from the Banks and those with a vested interest to keep those banks alive. With regard to the heath care reform bill as well, there is a very loud message from the people to go back to the drawing table, yet Obama and his crew know better. They just won't let go of it.
I agree, there has been a major demand for healthcare reform over a number of decades. The new bill is not good enough however. Maybe they need to establish a Federal Commission of Enquiry to work through all the points with each and every State item by item.
Perfection is the enemy of the good. (Voltaire)
If something people lack has not been working for decades, if half the elected government is trying to stop change and if not having it is hurting and killing thousands of Americans a year, its too late to say wait til we make it better. Make it better the try for perfection. And leave the red herring alone.
The thing is, the legislation as given right now is papered over with so many flaws in the papering that one can hardly recognize what it is. It seems to be hiding stuff as well. Or has the appearance of that. The only way to get it through is to get rid of all the papering, get the bones out of it, and list it simply and coherently.
Perhaps, but it is the adversarial nature of the process which causes that. First fix it to save people then fix the fix to save principles. Politics has always been the art of the possible.
I don't agree. It is the political system where a President only has a set period to make progress before he has to start his re-election campaign again on the one hand and inability of said President to listen to the people on the other hand.
Nah, politics is the art of lies, deceit, treachery and authoritarianism.
No, politics is often the practice of lies, deceit, treachery and authoritarianism. Successful politics is the art of the possible.
How does that differ from the adversarial nature of the process that you disagree with? :giggle:
Not sure what you mean, the adversial nature is part of the process isn't it? I'm saying the system as is with electing a President for four years, him having about 18 months to perform and reach objectives, before he has to start with a re-election campaign, all the way trying to impress the people around him, is not a good one for efficient long-term decisions of the kind that is needed for the Health Reform Bill.
Yeah. I think our words may have confused us into debating them instead of the idea.
No, politics is often the practice of lies, deceit, treachery and authoritarianism. Successful politics is the art of the possible.
Surely successful politics is merely when they get away with it?
Surely successful politics is merely when they get away with it?
Such as you are attempting in styling yourself as a non-politician with a non-platform to seek a non-government?
In a sense, everyone interested in politics is a politician of sorts.
It's people who choose politics as a "career" that annoy me - unless of course, they're professors or journalists, but i'm sure you know what I mean.
Explain how non-career politicians are supposed to be able to control career bureaucrats? Or do you think bureaucrats don't need to be controlled? Just pass down the policies and the administrators will know what, where, how and when to make changes?
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