Obama to propose assault weapons ban, better background checks

Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
why outlaw smoking in pubs? answer is because it is a step towards protecting people who don't smoke. Laws should change when a chance comes to improve things shouldnt it?
Is this an idiotic second-hand smoke argument?

What level of tyranny is enough for you?
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Idiocy or Ignorance?

Why not make a gun ban? All guns. I understand in the "Constitution" we have the right to own guns, but the Constitution was made hundreds of years ago and there weren't 10s of thousands of gun related deaths in this country every year. It's time for a change and it's a shame a bunch of innocent kids had to die before this was realized.
Why not eliminate the right to speak freely?

I understand in the "Constitution" we have the right to speak freely, but the Constitution was made hundreds of years ago and there weren't tens of thousands of Internet sites doing their harm to the youths of America. It is time for a change and its a shame a bunch of kids had to be ruined before this was realized.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Nor is there anything, anywhere in the constitution giving you the right to own grenades, rocket launchers, c-4, nuclear explosives, or fighter aircraft...but we as a society would likely frown upon such a thing. We are also faced with the fact these weapons not only did not exist...but were not imagined as possible at the time.
The Second Amendment was the antidote for a standing Army under the control of an over reaching, tyrannical executive. It is essential today. Then the infantry was the deciding arm. So individual weapons, those carried as the typical weapon of the infantry, are covered by the Second Amendment. If you are arguing that the Amendment should be updated to include any weapon carried by the infantry you might have a point.

It is unlikely any "Well Regulated Militia" would be allowed to be armed with such. Unless you fall into the crowd expecting (Or Preparing For) the upcoming military takeover of the United States there is no logical reason to be armed with such weapons.
Nearly three hundred million arms in the hands of over fifty million households ought to give our current crop of tyrants pause. You too. There is no military that can win against an armed populace once the population decides to resist and then to fight.

And...to be honest, if you are the mental health aspect of the actions will likely find you anyway.
This is nonsensical.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
The Second Amendment was the antidote for a standing Army under the control of an over reaching, tyrannical executive. It is essential today. Then the infantry was the deciding arm. So individual weapons, those carried as the typical weapon of the infantry, are covered by the Second Amendment. If you are arguing that the Amendment should be updated to include any weapon carried by the infantry you might have a point.


Nearly three hundred million arms in the hands of over fifty million households ought to give our current crop of tyrants pause. You too. There is no military that can win against an armed populace once the population decides to resist and then to fight.


This is nonsensical.

I well understand the reasoning behind the 2nd. I simply find the initial reasoning to be unrealistic in todays world. In my opinion anyone who believes the United States Gov't could become a police state, or corrupted to the point of tyranny is misguided. Added to this would be the result of any armed revolution, which would be quickly put down by the forces controlled by the most powerful military ever to exist on this Earth.

I personally do not see a need to arm the population as a means of protecting it from the Government, as there is literally no chance of defeating it should it decide to destroy us all. And, having such weapons in the hands of my fellow citizens seems far more likely a danger than the U.S. becoming a dictatorship bent on my destruction.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
I well understand the reasoning behind the 2nd. I simply find the initial reasoning to be unrealistic in todays world. In my opinion anyone who believes the United States Gov't could become a police state, or corrupted to the point of tyranny is misguided. Added to this would be the result of any armed revolution, which would be quickly put down by the forces controlled by the most powerful military ever to exist on this Earth.

I personally do not see a need to arm the population as a means of protecting it from the Government, as there is literally no chance of defeating it should it decide to destroy us all. And, having such weapons in the hands of my fellow citizens seems far more likely a danger than the U.S. becoming a dictatorship bent on my destruction.

Fortunately it does not depend on you. Based on your beliefs you will support it when it comes. Only later will you wonder what happened.

All governments tend toward mediocrity and tyranny. Ours is no exception.

You are simply wrong about armed rebellions. We have not put down the armed rebellions in Iraq nor in Afghanistan. Imagine a US military pitted against ten million armed citizens. There are at least 50 million households that are armed. There are three hundred million weapons held by citizens.

Government is already corrupted to the point of tyranny. It is a tyranny that you find to your liking. Eventually it will not be. I cannot imagine the attitude of one who distrusts the bulk of the nation's citizens and yet totally trusts the political class where the danger nearly always rises from.
 
Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
Fortunately it does not depend on you. Based on your beliefs you will support it when it comes. Only later will you wonder what happened.

All governments tend toward mediocrity and tyranny. Ours is no exception.

You are simply wrong about armed rebellions. We have not put down the armed rebellions in Iraq nor in Afghanistan. Imagine a US military pitted against ten million armed citizens. There are at least 50 million households that are armed. There are three hundred million weapons held by citizens.

Government is already corrupted to the point of tyranny. It is a tyranny that you find to your liking. Eventually it will not be. I cannot imagine the attitude of one who distrusts the bulk of the nation's citizens and yet totally trusts the political class where the danger nearly always rises from.

I do not trust the Politicians...yet I do have a measure of trust in our system. I do not trust the citizenry based on observation, facts, and listening to folks talk the way you type.

I live a mile from what may be the best example of extreme militia mentality in our country (Knob Hill), and have more fear of the people that shoot there....than the Cop on my street.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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One can judge a tyrant by his actions. Those who harass the law abiding citizen with rules, regulations, and burdens is the tyrant. One who rushes legislation through is a tyrant. The Democrat Party is the party of big government. Big government is where tyrants grow up.

To you everyone is apparently a tyrant. I don't agree.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Connecting the dots.

Earlier I wrote, "One can judge a tyrant by his actions. Those who harass the law abiding citizen with rules, regulations, and burdens is the tyrant. One who rushes legislation through is a tyrant. The Democrat Party is the party of big government. Big government is where tyrants grow up."

To you everyone is apparently a tyrant. I don't agree.
One can judge a tyrant by his actions. Of course you don't agree. It is no shame to be unable to connect the dots. It is a shame to stand in the way of the ones who can.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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One can judge a tyrant by his actions. Of course you don't agree. It is no shame to be unable to connect the dots. It is a shame to stand in the way of the ones who can.

The real shame is that you are so sure of yourself that no one and nothing else can be right if it conflicts with your views. Not the facts, not the data, and not other opinion.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
The real shame is that you are so sure of yourself that no one and nothing else can be right if it conflicts with your views. Not the facts, not the data, and not other opinion.
I have not yet seen you be right. If you ever are I am certain we shall agree.
 
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