Syria unrest: Aleppo bomb attacks 'kill 28'

DodgeFB · Feb 10, 2012

At least 28 people have been killed and 235 wounded in two bombs targeting security compounds in Syria's second city of Aleppo, state media report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16978803

I am torn about this. I want this to stop. These people need help. But I don't think we should ride into another country to save the day. We sure don't need to attack Syria. And I am against arming the people too. We have spread arms all over the world. Many of them used to kill our own.

And in the end even those we help resent and hate us. There has to be someone other than the US or NATO that can give these people some relief.

Kingdom · Feb 10, 2012

The West should help Syria. With or without the help from Russia or China.

DodgeFB · Feb 10, 2012

Kingdom said:
The West should help Syria. With or without the help from Russia or China.

But how? Our help seems to turn out not so helpful many times. And we need to go along with their veto. Or it opens the door for them to ignore ours down the road.:unsure:

Kingdom · Feb 10, 2012

DodgeFB said:
But how? Our help seems to turn out not so helpful many times. And we need to go along with their veto. Or it opens the door for them to ignore ours down the road.:unsure:

Really? I trust the Western alliance through NATO is much greater and stronger than Russia and China's. We're all familiar with the suspicious disappearance of journalists and human rights activists in Russia and China so they really don't give a f**k about human rights, so why should they regarding Syria? I think the correct decision would be for someone to intervene. I think the Syrians believe it's quite unfair that the Libyans were saved by Western forces, but they're gonna have to solve the problem themselves?

David · Feb 10, 2012

Kingdom said:
Really? I trust the Western alliance through NATO is much greater and stronger than Russia and China's. We're all familiar with the suspicious disappearance of journalists and human rights activists in Russia and China so they really don't give a f**k about human rights, so why should they regarding Syria? I think the correct decision would be for someone to intervene. I think the Syrians believe it's quite unfair that the Libyans were saved by Western forces, but they're gonna have to solve the problem themselves?

Europe needed to save it's oil.

Kingdom · Feb 10, 2012

David said:
Europe needed to save it's oil.

Sure they did, that's why the North Sea is just an imagination to the UK and Norway, both countries were also involved in the war in Libya.

DodgeFB · Feb 10, 2012

Kingdom said:
Really? I trust the Western alliance through NATO is much greater and stronger than Russia and China's. We're all familiar with the suspicious disappearance of journalists and human rights activists in Russia and China so they really don't give a f**k about human rights, so why should they regarding Syria? I think the correct decision would be for someone to intervene. I think the Syrians believe it's quite unfair that the Libyans were saved by Western forces, but they're gonna have to solve the problem themselves?

All that might be true. But they are members with veto power. Or are they? I can tell you some of us were not happy with the decision to "intervene" in Libya. I am still not sure about that band of merry men running things there. They seem as brutal as the old government at times. And the US needs to learn the lesson that we are too damn broke and hated around the world to baby sit every country that has a problem. I think our cowboy days of riding to the rescue all over the world are about over for a while. This government is all set to take a clever to out military as it is. And have you noticed we get more hatred than appreciation when we get our people killed and spend the money we get from who,? China. Some of us are sick of sticking our red,white, and blue nose into every fight around the world. It looks good in a movie. But it does get tiresome.

I for one am ready to let someone else be the heroes for a while.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

Of course the US and NATO forces receive criticism for their fight around the world. I understand that you, and probably many others are tired of it. But you can't just stop doing good deeds around the world because it's not always popular or because you're frightened for what sort of reputation you'll end up with. The US and the UK through the special bond they've had for decades, almost a century now, have fought many wars together, won and established democracy in far corners of the world. It's time to be proud of that, and not let countries like Russia, China and Iran stop us, just because they've got a twisted way of looking at democracy and freedom of speech.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
Of course the US and NATO forces receive criticism for their fight around the world. I understand that you, and probably many others are tired of it. But you can't just stop doing good deeds around the world because it's not always popular or because you're frightened for what sort of reputation you'll end up with. The US and the UK through the special bond they've had for decades, almost a century now, have fought many wars together, won and established democracy in far corners of the world. It's time to be proud of that, and not let countries like Russia, China and Iran stop us, just because they've got a twisted way of looking at democracy and freedom of speech.

Reality will stop us sooner or later. And a good example is Iraq. Look at the blood and treasure spent there. And look at what is happening there today. Right now it looks like the US and the UK flushed it all down a rat hole. Just a waste as far as I am concerned. I care too much for our military to just keep grinding them up for no good reason. And when we established democracy, look at the crowd they elect. It is their right, but usually they elect people that hate us. As far as I am concerned damn some "nation building". Right now the US has a real danger to our south. Mexican drug gangs are killing and kidnapping Americans not to mention Mexicans. We need to sweep our own doorstep before we go kicking ass on the other side of the world.

Why don't the Arab League help those people? They come crying to us to help, then condemn us when something goes wrong. They can jack up our oil prices, but run to us when they need help. We are not the Arab League's police dept.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

DodgeFB said:
Reality will stop us sooner or later. And a good example is Iraq. Look at the blood and treasure spent there. And look at what is happening there today. Right now it looks like the US and the UK flushed it all down a rat hole. Just a waste as far as I am concerned. I care too much for our military to just keep grinding them up for no good reason. And when we established democracy, look at the crowd they elect. It is their right, but usually they elect people that hate us. As far as I am concerned damn some "nation building". Right now the US has a real danger to our south. Mexican drug gangs are killing and kidnapping Americans not to mention Mexicans. We need to sweep our own doorstep before we go kicking ass on the other side of the world.

Of course, during all the wars that have been fought there will always be a discussion if some of them were necessary, e.g. Iraq.

But we shouldn't excusing our attempt to save countries, which in the long run are a threat to the Western values of democracy and freedom of speech, and we shouldn't be frightened to defend these rights. The US got major issues with the dangerous cities close to the US border in Mexico and the drug gangs and smuggling, obviously. But should the US, just because of that, stop fighting in other

DodgeFB said:
Why don't the Arab League help those people? They come crying to us to help, then condemn us when something goes wrong. They can jack up our oil prices, but run to us when they need help. We are not the Arab League's police dept.

Many of the incidents which happen in the Arab League area of the world are in the US's interest after 9/11, so even if the Arab Leage, as you put it are trying to cover their own police debt with American help, I believe it's also in an American interest do exactly what they're doing, e.g. in Afghanistan.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
Of course, during all the wars that have been fought there will always be a discussion if some of them were necessary, e.g. Iraq.

But we shouldn't excusing our attempt to save countries, which in the long run are a threat to the Western values of democracy and freedom of speech, and we shouldn't be frightened to defend these rights. The US got major issues with the dangerous cities close to the US border in Mexico and the drug gangs and smuggling, obviously. But should the US, just because of that, stop fighting in other

Many of the incidents which happen in the Arab League area of the world are in the US's interest after 9/11, so even if the Arab Leage, as you put it are trying to cover their own police debt with American help, I believe it's also in an American interest do exactly what they're doing, e.g. in Afghanistan.

Let me just say I am not "frightened" to put our military up against anyone. But there comes a time it is just stupid. I think that time is coming fast.

Damn right the US should stop fighting in most of the wars around the world. We have done more than our share already. Let some of the others do their part for a change. Mostly what we have to show for all the fighting is a bunch of dead soldiers and a stack of bills we can't pay. And usually not so much as a thank you for your trouble. This country has much more going for it than being a "global warrior". These are real people with real families that we are pissing away all around the world. Not John Wayne, doing a movie. If we go to another war or not it will not be me dyeing, will it be you? I think it is too easy for an old fart like me to say "give um hell! and a bunch of armchair warriors to send them off to be killed and crippled.
We buried a woman here last week that I saw her son come home with a flag on his coffin. I saw the life go out in her eyes when they handed her that flag.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

You make a very valid point. But you mention that it's time someone else did the job. That is exactly the problem, there are nobody else able to do the job, because the prime target is the US and the Western value for the terrorists. I don't see Russia and China fighting for the values of freedom anytime soon. Freedom is a value we take too much for granted in the Western economical world, and we should start understanding why these freedoms are here. Yes, there will be casualties, yes there will be sacrifices. But underneath those sacrifices and casualties comes a great value that we've come to love and honour. The US, the UK and the rest of the NATO are at the front line defending these values.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
You make a very valid point. But you mention that it's time someone else did the job. That is exactly the problem, there are nobody else able to do the job, because the prime target is the US and the Western value for the terrorists. I don't see Russia and China fighting for the values of freedom anytime soon. Freedom is a value we take too much for granted in the Western economical world, and we should start understanding why these freedoms are here. Yes, there will be casualties, yes there will be sacrifices. But underneath those sacrifices and casualties comes a great value that we've come to love and honour. The US, the UK and the rest of the NATO are at the front line defending these values.

We will be no help to anyone if we turn the US into a third world country. We are spending money we don't have. We are not taking decent care of our own, including our military. We can not adopt the whole damn world. As far as Russia they are broke too. I know NATO counts on the US. But while we spend ourselves into bankruptcy they are spending less and letting us carry most of the burden. That crap has to stop. If they want to go to war, send troops and money to pay for that war. See how long it takes for them to lose the taste for blood.

There is nothing to" love and honour" about destroying your own country.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

DodgeFB said:
We will be no help to anyone if we turn the US into a third world country. We are spending money we don't have. We are not taking decent care of our own, including our military.

Recession occurs and good times occur. There's always gonna be ups and downs, and if we're not able to stand up while there's a downturn, being financially or anything else a country can go through, it won't be ourselves hurting us, it will be the terrorists.

DodgeFB said:
We can not adopt the whole damn world. As far as Russia they are broke too. I know NATO counts on the US. But while we spend ourselves into bankruptcy they are spending less and letting us carry most of the burden. That crap has to stop. If they want to go to war, send troops and money to pay for that war. See how long it takes for them to lose the taste for blood.

You think Assad is going to send NATO money to go to war in his own country? :giggle:

The opposition has no power whatsoever to do that, and they're the ones fighting against the regime they're forced to live under.

DodgeFB said:
There is nothing to" love and honour" about destroying your own country.

Agreed. Let's prevent Islamic terrorists from doing so.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
Agreed. Let's prevent Islamic terrorists from doing so.

They are counting on us spending our ass into the ground. As for "Islamic" goes the people they are attacking are other Islamic people. And no matter what we do they all will still be Islamic! So we need to kill our soldiers and and break our country to settle their family feud, no thanks. You go on without me.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

DodgeFB said:
They are counting on us spending our ass into the ground. As for "Islamic" goes the people they are attacking are other Islamic people. And no matter what we do they all will still be Islamic! So we need to kill our soldiers and and break our country to settle their family feud, no thanks. You go on without me.

Their family feud? Didn't seem family to me on 9/11, Bali 2002, Madrid 2004 and 7/7. It's an outright declaration of war.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
Their family feud? Didn't seem family to me on 9/11, Bali 2002, Madrid 2004 and 7/7. It's an outright declaration of war.

That is not the topic. The topic is starting up with Syria. If they were attacking those people it would be different. But we will never run Islam out of the middle east.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

DodgeFB said:
That is not the topic. The topic is starting up with Syria. If they were attacking those people it would be different. But we will never run Islam out of the middle east.

Of course it is the topic. Syria is closely allied with a country like Iran, a country that funds terrorism. It's got nothing do to with running the entire religion of the Middle East.

DodgeFB · Feb 11, 2012

Kingdom said:
Of course it is the topic. Syria is closely allied with a country like Iran, a country that funds terrorism. It's go nothing do to with running the entire religion of the Middle East.

I have done my share of flag waving and cheering. But my war mongering days have passed.

1. I see no benefit in attacking Syria.

2. Ever notice "terrorism" requires less money than the way we do it.

3.I am so disappointed in the cost of blood and treasure, it will take more than some half baked plan for me to support another war.

4. If they can keep us chasing them they are winning. Hell look how much 9/11 changed all our lives.

5.No matter what we do for those people they will spit in our face for the effort. That is not like supporting a friend.

Kingdom · Feb 11, 2012

DodgeFB said:
2. Ever notice "terrorism" requires less money than the way we do it.

Of course it does. Because fortunately the West are not frequently experiencing 9/11's and 7/7's because we stand up and defend ourselves to prevent it. If we didn't fight terrorism, it would cost money the other way through being attacked all the time.

DodgeFB said:
3.I am so disappointed in the cost of blood and treasure, it will take more than some half baked plan for me to support another war.

Unfortunately lives are lost fighting for the greater good.

DodgeFB said:
4. If they can keep us chasing them they are winning. Hell look how much 9/11 changed all our lives.

And so it should have, because if 9/11 had no effect to the Western foreign policy, who knows how much damage would've happened to our countries in the past decade.

DodgeFB said:
5.No matter what we do for those people they will spit in our face for the effort. That is not like supporting a friend.

Is that why Syrians in the streets in Syria were burning Russian and Chinese flags, and not American or British?

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