Trayvon Martin

Nov 2012
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You're seriously going to compare an abortion 17 years in the past to the actions of a man directly involved in this incident? Go right ahead, it's not my name on that impressive bit of reasoning.

Your name isn't on any bit of impressive reasoning. The point is that your argument that Zimmerman could have avoided the situation is irrelevant.

The only reason those two came into direct contact was because Zimmerman got out of his vehicle to follow Martin.

If ignorance and prejudice were something, you'd be on to something. The "only" reason the two came in direct contact was because Martin jumped Zimmerman, after Martin attracted attention by dressing in a hood at night and acting like he was on drugs or casing the neighborhood.

I never said it was. I suggested that the "adult" in this incident could have acted in a less confrontational way and maybe the violence could have been avoided. By the way, you keep saying "white". Which one of them was the white guy, the black or the hispanic?

The white guy is the one the media continually describes as "white". Don't you read news? Maybe if you had dealt with your illiteracy, you'd know that "hispanic" is usually not considered a race. Besides, I only used the word "white" figuratively... something your illiteracy didn't allow you to pick up on.

This in no way answered any charges. I only made one charge and that was that Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car and no one should need hindsight to realize that. As for your QB reference, I suppose it's as easy for me as it is for you.

Yeah, and Martin shouldn't have been wondering around aimlessly at night in a hoodie. And, Martin shouldn't have even been staying in the neighborhood because he shouldn't have been suspended from school for drug possession. And, MARTIN SHOULDN'T HAVE ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN. But, you're so racist that blacks are just wild dogs to you. To you, Martin was just a wild dog being a wild dog, therefor it was purely up to Zimmerman to avoid the situation.

That's not what happened, you have apparently forgotten that the tape of that call has been released to the public.

Deal with your ignorance before you accuse me of not knowing something. Zimmerman says Martin was running (around the corner of the building). The operator then asks where Martin is running. Zimmerman then starts following so that he can tell the operator where Martin is going. The operator then detects that Zimmerman is following Martin and then tells Martin that they don't need him to follow. Martin then stops following.

He was too scared to start a conversation? He wasn't too scared to call the police.

What kind of completely stupid argument is that? Calling police from a distance is what scared people do. Scared people don't approach the person they're scared of to strike up a conversation.

He wasn't too scared to follow the kid. He wasn't too scared to show him his gun. Nice try, not buying it though. And you think I'm naive? LOL.

If ignorance were water, there'd never be a drought around you. Zimmerman followed from a distance, and only for few seconds. Zimmerman didn't show his gun. All the aggressive posturing was done by Martin.
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Your name isn't on any bit of impressive reasoning. The point is that your argument that Zimmerman could have avoided the situation is irrelevant.

Zimmerman certainly could have avoided the situation by not exiting his vehicle, unless you believe that Trayvon Martin was going to jump in Zimmerman's car. I never said that Zimmerman should be held criminally liable for following Martin, but the observation that a little bit of common sense from someone in possession of a firearm and deliberately altering his intended course in order to surveil someone is not irrelevant.

I also never said that my name was on any bit of impressive reasoning. I did say that your attempt to equate an abortion 17 years in the past and the actions of someone directly involved in an incident in the present is not very sound.



If ignorance and prejudice were something, you'd be on to something. The "only" reason the two came in direct contact was because Martin jumped Zimmerman, after Martin attracted attention by dressing in a hood at night and acting like he was on drugs or casing the neighborhood.

I know that my first reaction to someone who appears to be disoriented is to assume that they're up to no good.:confused: Lots of people wear hooded sweatshirts, I own several myself and it's not an indication of criminal intent.



The white guy is the one the media continually describes as "white". Don't you read news? Maybe if you had dealt with your illiteracy, you'd know that "hispanic" is usually not considered a race. Besides, I only used the word "white" figuratively... something your illiteracy didn't allow you to pick up on.

Yes, I read the news and I have heard Zimmerman referred to as white by some. I have also heard him referred to as hispanic. He refers to himself as hispanic. You do have a point about some people making this a case of White v. Black but I'm not one of those people so if your beef is with them then go deal with them, don't transfer your problem with them onto me. That's your trip, not mine.



Yeah, and Martin shouldn't have been wondering around aimlessly at night in a hoodie. And, Martin shouldn't have even been staying in the neighborhood because he shouldn't have been suspended from school for drug possession. And, MARTIN SHOULDN'T HAVE ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN. But, you're so racist that blacks are just wild dogs to you. To you, Martin was just a wild dog being a wild dog, therefor it was purely up to Zimmerman to avoid the situation.

I'm a racist? You're the one who appears to be fascinated by race, not me. I've never said that Trayvon Martin was blameless. You however keep saying that that's what I'm saying. You insult me multiple times, that's pretty sad, but what's really sad is that you not even insulting me over what I posted, you've been "re-writing" what I've posted in order to fit what you want me to have posted, not what I actually did post, and then you argue with "my opinions". You're actually arguing with yourself, not with me.



Deal with your ignorance before you accuse me of not knowing something. Zimmerman says Martin was running (around the corner of the building). The operator then asks where Martin is running. Zimmerman then starts following so that he can tell the operator where Martin is going. The operator then detects that Zimmerman is following Martin and then tells Martin that they don't need him to follow. Martin then stops following.

Was Martin following or Zimmerman? You still aren't going to give up this idea that Zimmerman was somehow following instructions, are you? I've already addressed that so I will not again.



What kind of completely stupid argument is that? Calling police from a distance is what scared people do. Scared people don't approach the person they're scared of to strike up a conversation.

Scared people don't approach the person they're scared of, period. They don't follow either. By the way, I'm a little disappointed in you; "stupid" just seems like such a let down after the high quality insults you threw at me earlier. You seriously need to pick up your game, you're slipping.:D



If ignorance were water, there'd never be a drought around you. Zimmerman followed from a distance, and only for few seconds. Zimmerman didn't show his gun. All the aggressive posturing was done by Martin.

This is a little better although you have already used "ignorant". I'd like to point out that you can access a thesaurus online, it should help you avoid repetitiveness and add a touch of quality which will make your posts oh so much more entertaining and enjoyable, a true treat for both young and old.:) Oh, and Zimmerman by his own admission showed his weapon to Trayvon Martin. Don't you read the news? I guess you missed that part, you were to busy looking for racists.
 
Nov 2012
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Zimmerman certainly could have avoided the situation by not exiting his vehicle, unless you believe that Trayvon Martin was going to jump in Zimmerman's car.

Learn to read. I did not argued that Zimmerman couldn't haven't avoided the encounter by staying in his car. In fact, I implicitly agreed. I said it is irrelevant because it doesn't justify Martin assaulting Zimmerman. If you think it's relevant, then explain how.

I know that my first reaction to someone who appears to be disoriented is to assume that they're up to no good.:confused: Lots of people wear hooded sweatshirts, I own several myself and it's not an indication of criminal intent.

More totally stupid reasoning, "Not everyone who acts like a criminal is a criminal, therefor no one acting like a criminal should be suspected as a possible criminal."

Yes, I read the news and I have heard Zimmerman referred to as white by some. I have also heard him referred to as hispanic.

Zimmerman could refer to himself as a Baptist, but that wouldn't make "Baptist" a race. "Hispanic" is not a race. Learn to read, I already pointed this out.

I'm a racist?

You refuse to find any fault in anything Martin did. What would the reason for this be, if not racism? (Given your challenge with reading, let me explain that I'm not saying you claim Martin did nothing wrong.)

Was Martin following or Zimmerman? You still aren't going to give up this idea that Zimmerman was somehow following instructions, are you? I've already addressed that so I will not again.

How sad that the center of your defense of a thug is that his victim got out of his vehicle after the police asked him where the suspect was going.

Scared people don't approach the person they're scared of, period.

You're still showing that you have a reading disability. At no time did Zimmerman approach martin. Following is not approaching.

Oh, and Zimmerman by his own admission showed his weapon to Trayvon Martin. Don't you read the news? I guess you missed that part, you were to busy looking for racists.

Stop pulling supposed facts out of your @ss. If Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, he wouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman. As far as I know, Zimmerman hasn't said anything other than the gun was accidently exposed during the fight.
 
Oct 2012
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Learn to read. I did not argued that Zimmerman couldn't haven't avoided the encounter by staying in his car. In fact, I implicitly agreed. I said it is irrelevant because it doesn't justify Martin assaulting Zimmerman. If you think it's relevant, then explain how.

If Zimmerman could have avoided it, yet instead created the situation...is he not culpable?


More totally stupid reasoning, "Not everyone who acts like a criminal is a criminal, therefor no one acting like a criminal should be suspected as a possible criminal."

Illogical interpretation...no other way to interpret this. Just because a situation is similar to one you see as negative, does not create a negative without evaluation...basic science.


Zimmerman could refer to himself as a Baptist, but that wouldn't make "Baptist" a race. "Hispanic" is not a race. Learn to read, I already pointed this out.

Hispanic/Spanish/Mexican/Chicano is indeed a race in our society...to pretend otherwise is foolish.



You refuse to find any fault in anything Martin did. What would the reason for this be, if not racism? (Given your challenge with reading, let me explain that I'm not saying you claim Martin did nothing wrong.)

It seems to me he is instead trying to counter the overt nature of your opinion...which may require a reversal of the racism you portray.



How sad that the center of your defense of a thug is that his victim got out of his vehicle after the police asked him where the suspect was going.
You're still showing that you have a reading disability. At no time did Zimmerman approach martin. Following is not approaching.

It seems you understanding of symantics is unique.

Stop pulling supposed facts out of your @ss. If Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, he wouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman. As far as I know, Zimmerman hasn't said anything other than the gun was accidently exposed during the fight.


As far as you know.....heh.
 
Nov 2012
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If Zimmerman could have avoided it, yet instead created the situation...is he not culpable?

That's like reasoning that a woman in a miniskirt deserves to be raped. "A man who gets out of his car to keep an eye on a suspect deserves to be assaulted."

Illogical interpretation...no other way to interpret this. Just because a situation is similar to one you see as negative, does not create a negative without evaluation...basic science.

Uh, what?

Hispanic/Spanish/Mexican/Chicano is indeed a race in our society...to pretend otherwise is foolish.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.

It seems you understanding of symantics is unique.

Uh, what?
 
Oct 2012
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That's like reasoning that a woman in a miniskirt deserves to be raped. "A man who gets out of his car to keep an eye on a suspect deserves to be assaulted."



Uh, what?



Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.



Uh, what?


No point going further
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Learn to read. I did not argued that Zimmerman couldn't haven't avoided the encounter by staying in his car. In fact, I implicitly agreed. I said it is irrelevant because it doesn't justify Martin assaulting Zimmerman. If you think it's relevant, then explain how.



More totally stupid reasoning, "Not everyone who acts like a criminal is a criminal, therefor no one acting like a criminal should be suspected as a possible criminal."



Zimmerman could refer to himself as a Baptist, but that wouldn't make "Baptist" a race. "Hispanic" is not a race. Learn to read, I already pointed this out.



You refuse to find any fault in anything Martin did. What would the reason for this be, if not racism? (Given your challenge with reading, let me explain that I'm not saying you claim Martin did nothing wrong.)



How sad that the center of your defense of a thug is that his victim got out of his vehicle after the police asked him where the suspect was going.



You're still showing that you have a reading disability. At no time did Zimmerman approach martin. Following is not approaching.



Stop pulling supposed facts out of your @ss. If Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, he wouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman. As far as I know, Zimmerman hasn't said anything other than the gun was accidently exposed during the fight.

Still at it with the insults eh? And you refer to others as mentally challenged:giggle:

You continue to insist that I've said things which I did not say. I've never said Trayvon Martin was blameless yet you continue to insist that I have. Then you claim that I have a reading disability:giggle:

In all fairness Zimmerman has also said that the gun was exposed accidentally; Zimmerman has contradicted himself on a few issues. That is to be expected from someone who has undergone a traumatic event. The difference between you and me is that I don't have a political axe to grind here so I don't latch onto whatever I choose to believe and discard the rest. I learned my lesson about media coverage after watching what they did to Richard Jewell.

I fail to understand why you feel so threatened and upset by the idea that an adult reporting a suspicious person should have just stayed in his vehicle. I also fail to understand why you continue to assert that this idea is somehow support for Martin and a condemnation of Zimmerman even though I have clearly taken no such positions. Still arguing with yourself eh? Have fun with that.

You should not assume that if someone standing very close to someone else shows a gun that everyone would run away, sometimes that's the worst thing you can do.

As far as the various governments in America are concerned, Hispanic is a race as far as reporting requirements are concerned. Your objection doesn't make it any less true.

I've noticed that you seem to be concerned about my level of education in general and specifically about my cognitive abilities. I'd like to put your mind at ease, I assure you that I do in fact know how to read and while I'm not a big fan of Internet credentials I'm willing to bet that my degree is more advanced than yours. :p
 
Jan 2012
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Zimmerman certainly could have avoided the situation by not exiting his vehicle,

I am sorry, but this is true about any indecent. As a neighbor hood watch person it is his responsibility to find out who this person is. I have done many neighborhood watches, and that is what you do. He was suspicious, so he is suspected. This whole thing could have been avoided if the boy had just said am just walking through. Or if he walked somewhere else. He would not have been shot if he had a reasonable response to being questioned. Or simple said I don't have to answer your questions. I find it doubtful that Zimmermann was harassing the boy, he did not have a history of that and it is unreasonable to assume that hr just snapped one day. The preponderance of the evidence states that it was a struggle, that both parties acted inappropriate. A murder, I don't think it is, a tragety yes. But to call for murder convictions with no actual evidence is a bigger tragity.. I haven't sat in the court, all I have is media conjecture, they turned it into a there ring circus and called it news, this crap happens every day, why is this case news?
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
I am sorry, but this is true about any indecent. As a neighbor hood watch person it is his responsibility to find out who this person is. I have done many neighborhood watches, and that is what you do.

I respectfully disagree with everything you just said, except for your comments on the media circus. I've done neighborhood watch too, and the cops in my city went out of their way at every opportunity to point out to us that legally there is no distinction between a neighborhood watchman and some guy walking his dog down the street. Neighborhood watch is under no obligation to do anything at all. They are under no obligation to pursue and identify anyone. They have no legal protections because they have no status, they are legally indistinguishable from some dudes playing frisbee in the park.

The idea that Zimmerman had some obligation to pursue should have been put out of everyone's mind after his call to the Sanford PD non-emergency line was released. When the cop on the line heard Zimmermans door alarm sounding, he asked Zimmerman if he had left his vehicle. Zimmerman said yes and then the cop said "we don't need you to do that." If Zimmerman were under some legal obligation to pursue and identify, the cop wouldn't have told him that his continued help was not needed.
 
Jan 2012
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I respectfully disagree with everything you just said, except for your comments on the media circus. I've done neighborhood watch too, and the cops in my city went out of their way at every opportunity to point out to us that legally there is no distinction between a neighborhood watchman and some guy walking his dog down the street. Neighborhood watch is under no obligation to do anything at all. They are under no obligation to pursue and identify anyone. They have no legal protections because they have no status, they are legally indistinguishable from some dudes playing frisbee in the park.

The idea that Zimmerman had some obligation to pursue should have been put out of everyone's mind after his call to the Sanford PD non-emergency line was released. When the cop on the line heard Zimmermans door alarm sounding, he asked Zimmerman if he had left his vehicle. Zimmerman said yes and then the cop said "we don't need you to do that." If Zimmerman were under some legal obligation to pursue and identify, the cop wouldn't have told him that his continued help was not needed.

Zimmermann was under no obligation to talk Martin but he had every right too. Martin had no right to attack Zimmermann. Again there is no support that Zimmermann sought confrontation so that is only speculation, unfounded speculation, it is however founded speculation to assume Martin attacked Zimmermann based on his prior record.
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Zimmermann was under no obligation to talk Martin but he had every right too. Martin had no right to attack Zimmermann. Again there is no support that Zimmermann sought confrontation so that is only speculation, unfounded speculation, it is however founded speculation to assume Martin attacked Zimmermann based on his prior record.

Ah, now I see the problem. I never said that Zimmerman sought confrontation. I don't think that Zimmerman is criminally liable for pursuing Martin. I don't believe that Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman. All I said was that it's a shame that Zimmerman didn't just stay in his car.
 
Jan 2012
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Ah, now I see the problem. I never said that Zimmerman sought confrontation. I don't think that Zimmerman is criminally liable for pursuing Martin. I don't believe that Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman. All I said was that it's a shame that Zimmerman didn't just stay in his car.

I Bet Zimmermann regrets getting out of that car, mercy what a lousy experience. I carry a fire arm for work, I know I can use it of I had to but fear deeply about ending somebody's life. I feel am odd unpleasant feeling just killing mice. I have witnessed a person die as a result of murder, that event took am emotional toll on me, I couldn't imagine if I had shot him. I don't ever want to know what that feels like.

Then the crusade for my blood ontop of that, yikes
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
I Bet Zimmermann regrets getting out of that car, mercy what a lousy experience. I carry a fire arm for work, I know I can use it of I had to but fear deeply about ending somebody's life. I feel am odd unpleasant feeling just killing mice. I have witnessed a person die as a result of murder, that event took am emotional toll on me, I couldn't imagine if I had shot him. I don't ever want to know what that feels like.

Then the crusade for my blood ontop of that, yikes

+1. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this, they've all got to be feeling horrible.
 
Nov 2012
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USA
Still at it with the insults eh? And you refer to others as mentally challenged:giggle:

You continue to insist that I've said things which I did not say. I've never said Trayvon Martin was blameless yet you continue to insist that I have. Then you claim that I have a reading disability:giggle:

I said, "You refuse to find any fault in anything Martin did. What would the reason for this be, if not racism? (Given your challenge with reading, let me explain that I'm not saying you claim Martin did nothing wrong.)" You replied, "I never said Trayvon Martin was blameless." Why would I think you have a reading disability?


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Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Go read post #53. You really do have an issue with reading comprehension, don't you?
 
Nov 2012
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USA
I Bet Zimmermann regrets getting out of that car, mercy what a lousy experience.

I'm very sure Zimmerman regrets getting out of the car and feels horrible about having to shoot someone. But, the psychopaths who want to hang Zimmerman are incapable of regret. Even when the jury finds Zimmerman innocent and tells the media that Zimmerman shouldn't have been charged in the first place, you'll see no regret from them, that they helped push an innocent man, already traumatized, into more hardship by demanding his life.

Trayvon Martin also would have felt no regret if he left Zimmerman half dead, or dead. Trayvon wasn't pounding Zimmerman into the ground because he had to, but because he wanted to.
 
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