Worst presidents of all time

Apr 2010
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I am not sure how many of you use Facebook, but the LivingSocial application is becoming quite popular nowadays. It allows people to pick their top five for virtually anything. I recently installed it and picked my top five worst US Presidents and thought it'd be a good topic of conversation here on Political Fray. Anyway, here was my top 5 worst United States Presidents as well as a brief explanation of why I chose them:

1) Barack Obama- I know it is still early for him, but his policies are very similar to those of FDR's and without a sound currency to fall back on, that could be very dangerous. Furthermore, a lot of his actions are unconstitutional as well.

2) FDR- The New Deal extended the Depression and made it worse and it left us with programs that are creating huge problems today- Fannie and Freddie and social security to name a couple.

3) Lyndon B. Johnson- "The Great Society" was a huge push towards socialism and although everything he wanted didn't go through, his time in office really pushed this country away from capitalism and we are seeing consequences of that now.

4) Woodrow Wilson- He created the Federal Reserve, tried for a world governing body in the League of Nations, passed the Clayton Act, re-imposed the Federal income tax...

5) George W. Bush- Started the Iraq War, supported Greenspan's low rate policies, passed the Patriot Act, increased the size of government...

So who do you all think are the worst five and what do you think of my selections?

Part of the problem with this list is that it only deals with presidents from 1900 onwards, and therefore misses 130 years worth. I also disagree with Obama being on the list so soon into his presidency. Its unfair to judge his partial presidency to the 8 year terms of all the others.

Apart from that there was a president from New Hampshire or Rhode Island in the 1800's who was apparently considered the worst ever.
 
Jun 2010
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Long Island and Florida
I am not sure how many of you use Facebook, but the LivingSocial application is becoming quite popular nowadays. It allows people to pick their top five for virtually anything. I recently installed it and picked my top five worst US Presidents and thought it'd be a good topic of conversation here on Political Fray. Anyway, here was my top 5 worst United States Presidents as well as a brief explanation of why I chose them:

1) Barack Obama- I know it is still early for him, but his policies are very similar to those of FDR's and without a sound currency to fall back on, that could be very dangerous. Furthermore, a lot of his actions are unconstitutional as well.

2) FDR- The New Deal extended the Depression and made it worse and it left us with programs that are creating huge problems today- Fannie and Freddie and social security to name a couple.

3) Lyndon B. Johnson- "The Great Society" was a huge push towards socialism and although everything he wanted didn't go through, his time in office really pushed this country away from capitalism and we are seeing consequences of that now.

4) Woodrow Wilson- He created the Federal Reserve, tried for a world governing body in the League of Nations, passed the Clayton Act, re-imposed the Federal income tax...

5) George W. Bush- Started the Iraq War, supported Greenspan's low rate policies, passed the Patriot Act, increased the size of government...

So who do you all think are the worst five and what do you think of my selections?

Wow! It's amazing just how much we agree on which were the worst president in U.S. history.

I would have to add Andrew Jackson who introduced the Spoils System into federal politics, Jimmy Carter who began the decline in American self confidence and Abraham Lincoln who did away with Habeus Corpus and illegally jailed his political opponents.
 
Jun 2010
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Long Island and Florida
I disagree with Nixon being included on the list. In fact, I think history will judge him as one of our better presidents. Nixon began reapprochment with Communist China, increased civil rights and got us out of Viet Nam.

Watergate was a minor event similar to other things done by other presidents before him. It was a political dirty trick, not treason. The reason it was made into such a big deal was the hatred the press had for Nixon. That hatred began when he defeated Helen Gehaghan Douglas in California. She was the pinko darling of the Hollywood liberals and he was never forgiven for running a strong campaign against her.
 
Jun 2010
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I am not sure how many of you use Facebook, but the LivingSocial application is becoming quite popular nowadays. It allows people to pick their top five for virtually anything. I recently installed it and picked my top five worst US Presidents and thought it'd be a good topic of conversation here on Political Fray. Anyway, here was my top 5 worst United States Presidents as well as a brief explanation of why I chose them:

1) Barack Obama- I know it is still early for him, but his policies are very similar to those of FDR's and without a sound currency to fall back on, that could be very dangerous. Furthermore, a lot of his actions are unconstitutional as well.

2) FDR- The New Deal extended the Depression and made it worse and it left us with programs that are creating huge problems today- Fannie and Freddie and social security to name a couple.

3) Lyndon B. Johnson- "The Great Society" was a huge push towards socialism and although everything he wanted didn't go through, his time in office really pushed this country away from capitalism and we are seeing consequences of that now.

4) Woodrow Wilson- He created the Federal Reserve, tried for a world governing body in the League of Nations, passed the Clayton Act, re-imposed the Federal income tax...

5) George W. Bush- Started the Iraq War, supported Greenspan's low rate policies, passed the Patriot Act, increased the size of government...

So who do you all think are the worst five and what do you think of my selections?

I almost, agree! But....George Bush, I am going to have to replace him with Bill Clinton.
Clinton was one of the sleaziest presidents I ever remember. I know the Kennedy's messed around, but the way Clinton handled the situation was awful. He lied and was caught red handed, so to speak.:eek:
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I almost, agree! But....George Bush, I am going to have to replace him with Bill Clinton.
Clinton was one of the sleaziest presidents I ever remember. I know the Kennedy's messed around, but the way Clinton handled the situation was awful. He lied and was caught red handed, so to speak.:eek:
The thing about that is I consider it more of a personal matter for his and not something we should judge his presidency by. Sure it may have had some effect on his job due to the media and perhaps the way people see Americans, but overall I think that effect is still small compared to what he did do in office. Now don't get me wrong, he was far from great, but in my opinion he wasn't the top five worst either.
 
Jun 2010
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Detroit, MI
Too call Barrack one of the worst is ignorant since he hasn't even finished his first term. I think that it's more deserving to those like Carter and Kennedy
 
Jun 2010
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Long Island and Florida
Too call Barrack one of the worst is ignorant since he hasn't even finished his first term. I think that it's more deserving to those like Carter and Kennedy

While it may not fit your view of the man as president it is not ignorant. Kennedy didn't finish his term either and was still one of the worst presidents this country had, not only because of things he did but because of things he didn't do. He escalated the war in Viet Nam but he also failed to act decisively during both the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban Missile Crisis. During the Bay of Pigs he changed his mind while an action was going on and left the people he had promised support hang out to dry. During the Cuban Missile Crisis he acted so scared that the Russians got a guarantee from us that we would never invade Cuba, the thing they were looking for in the first place.

Obama belongs on the list instituting the greatest increase not only in national debt but in the rate of national debt increase in our country's history. He belongs on the list for his attempts at social engineering and income redistribution. He belongs on the list for abandoning old allies and cozying up to the country's enemies. He belongs on the list for failing to take any decisive actions in foreign affairs. He belongs on the list for ramming through a health care program the majority of the people did not want.

It doesn't matter how long you are in office. What matters is what you do while you are in office.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Too call Barrack one of the worst is ignorant since he hasn't even finished his first term. I think that it's more deserving to those like Carter and Kennedy
How is it ignorant if it is based on his actions and policies. Historically, they have never worked and I am basing my opinion on that. I do not see his freedom-restricting and big government policies as anything but horrible for this nation. This question is really one of opinion, so everyone is entitled to their own and personally, I think I have more than sufficient reasoning behind why I feel this way.

While it may not fit your view of the man as president it is not ignorant. Kennedy didn't finish his term either and was still one of the worst presidents this country had, not only because of things he did but because of things he didn't do. He escalated the war in Viet Nam but he also failed to act decisively during both the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban Missile Crisis. During the Bay of Pigs he changed his mind while an action was going on and left the people he had promised support hang out to dry. During the Cuban Missile Crisis he acted so scared that the Russians got a guarantee from us that we would never invade Cuba, the thing they were looking for in the first place.
I feel that Kennedy is generally overrated by liberals and underrated by conservatives. While he wasn't perfect, some of his domestic policies were good in my opinion- for example his backing of a strong, stable currency.
 
Jun 2010
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Detroit, MI
How is it ignorant if it is based on his actions and policies. Historically, they have never worked and I am basing my opinion on that. I do not see his freedom-restricting and big government policies as anything but horrible for this nation. This question is really one of opinion, so everyone is entitled to their own and personally, I think I have more than sufficient reasoning behind why I feel this way.

Because his term is not finished and we have not been able to fully see the affects of his policies. Look I'm a Republican, but I'm not going to call him one of the worst presidents in the history of this country when he hasn't even made it two years yet.
 
Jun 2010
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Detroit, MI
While it may not fit your view of the man as president it is not ignorant. Kennedy didn't finish his term either and was still one of the worst presidents this country had, not only because of things he did but because of things he didn't do. He escalated the war in Viet Nam but he also failed to act decisively during both the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban Missile Crisis. During the Bay of Pigs he changed his mind while an action was going on and left the people he had promised support hang out to dry. During the Cuban Missile Crisis he acted so scared that the Russians got a guarantee from us that we would never invade Cuba, the thing they were looking for in the first place.
Kennedy died, there is a difference between dieing and not being able to finish your term and not even making it past your second year. One thign I will disagree is the Cuban Missile Crisis. The crisis was delicate and using a military option first could have resulted it millions of lives lost due to a nonsensical military attack. Kennedy did what he thought was right, get the Soviets to remove the missiles peacefully without any use of war. Would you rather him have used a military attack without peace negotiations, resulting in a war that could have been prevented?
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Because his term is not finished and we have not been able to fully see the affects of his policies. Look I'm a Republican, but I'm not going to call him one of the worst presidents in the history of this country when he hasn't even made it two years yet.
History has more than shown us the effects his policies will have. Now if you think it is different this time around, then you are entitled to that opinion, but I don't see it that way, in fact I know it won't be different. When every new entitlement program is passed, the same things are said and decades later they only become a burden.

Besides, some of what he has done is not open to speculation and we know what the effect will be. For example, the healthcare bill's effect on our freedoms and on the role of government. There is no doubting that it increases the role of government and hurts our freedoms. Other examples include some of his economic policies including extending unemployment insurance which increase unemployment and hurt the economy.
 
May 2010
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I will have to dig out my list on this, but, I would say Obama, Johnson, and I will get back to you on the three others and my reasoning.
 
Dec 2009
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Canada
History has more than shown us the effects his policies will have. Now if you think it is different this time around, then you are entitled to that opinion, but I don't see it that way, in fact I know it won't be different. When every new entitlement program is passed, the same things are said and decades later they only become a burden.

Besides, some of what he has done is not open to speculation and we know what the effect will be. For example, the healthcare bill's effect on our freedoms and on the role of government. There is no doubting that it increases the role of government and hurts our freedoms. Other examples include some of his economic policies including extending unemployment insurance which increase unemployment and hurt the economy.

But don't just look at yourself. Look at the world around you. Obama's policies are actually not new in the slightest. Most of us outside of the United States are very familiar with policies similar to his and they've worked.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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But don't just look at yourself. Look at the world around you. Obama's policies are actually not new in the slightest. Most of us outside of the United States are very familiar with policies similar to his and they've worked.
At the end of the day, in judging our president, it should be what works for us, not everyone else. And anyway, I don't see it working well anywhere else either, nor has it ever. Canada is undergoing major healthcare cuts after deficits began rising too quickly due to public sector health. Trends show those deficits will only continue to increase. I don't see how it is working for you unless you are only looking at the short term and you don't care about making the future pay.
 
May 2010
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But don't just look at yourself. Look at the world around you. Obama's policies are actually not new in the slightest. Most of us outside of the United States are very familiar with policies similar to his and they've worked.

Taken a look at the EU recently? Overspending the government and now the citizens don't want to accept the budget cuts so they are rioting? That sounds like working to me. Forcing the future people to pay for the benefits of today, in my opinion, is not the solution. The US needs a major overhaul of the welfare system and it needs to stop letting people leech the system and force people to get out and work. In order for someone to get rich, someone has to lose money, that is the name of the game. Socialism just will not work in the US.

In my opinion, health care is not a right. Doctor's shouldn't have to go through the amount of schooling they do and worry about malpractice suits just to give health care for free when someone decides they don't want to pay for it. I believe if people are trying to make a better life for themselves, then I do not have a problem helping them get affordable health care. Coming from SoCal and having family in the medical field (especially in the ER), do you have any idea how much money they lose by having illegals and legal citizens come in for treatment and not pay for it? Those costs get passed on down to the rest of us and help boost our health insurance premiums that we pay.
 
Dec 2009
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Canada
At the end of the day, in judging our president, it should be what works for us, not everyone else. And anyway, I don't see it working well anywhere else either, nor has it ever. Canada is undergoing major healthcare cuts after deficits began rising too quickly due to public sector health. Trends show those deficits will only continue to increase. I don't see how it is working for you unless you are only looking at the short term and you don't care about making the future pay.

Health care is provincial, and our deficits came from a bad economy, investing in GM, and the economic action plan, investing money for infrastructure and making things work. I can guarantee you we will have a surplus in 2011 by investing now. Mind you, our growth rate in Q1 was around 7%.

Taken a look at the EU recently? Overspending the government and now the citizens don't want to accept the budget cuts so they are rioting? That sounds like working to me. Forcing the future people to pay for the benefits of today, in my opinion, is not the solution. The US needs a major overhaul of the welfare system and it needs to stop letting people leech the system and force people to get out and work. In order for someone to get rich, someone has to lose money, that is the name of the game. Socialism just will not work in the US.

In my opinion, health care is not a right. Doctor's shouldn't have to go through the amount of schooling they do and worry about malpractice suits just to give health care for free when someone decides they don't want to pay for it. I believe if people are trying to make a better life for themselves, then I do not have a problem helping them get affordable health care. Coming from SoCal and having family in the medical field (especially in the ER), do you have any idea how much money they lose by having illegals and legal citizens come in for treatment and not pay for it? Those costs get passed on down to the rest of us and help boost our health insurance premiums that we pay.

Greece is not Europe. Don't just generalize all of Europe because of one country. That's as fair as calling the US Fascist or calling them something like "radical warheads" because of George W. Bush. None of those comments are fair.

Also, the doctors here do get paid by the government. It's also good pay in comparison to other jobs in other industries and is above average in the global scale. Mind you, our employment insurance doesn't give the citizens enough so that they will no longer have to work, and it doesn't just go to unemployment either (parental leaves are another example). Canada's unemployment rate at the start of 2010 was around 8.1%, which went up from the 5% or so rate in 2007. Working has always been better than employment insurance, but how are you going to get a job with nothing? How are you going to help a homeless person get off of his feet? Do you ever look at yourself and see the advantages you had over them? Have you ever walked into his shoes and showed empathy to someone in need? I was brought up to help someone if their books fall or if their coffee spills. In addition, I was punished or was looked down on when I only thought of my self. I think Canada's a great country, like the United States, like any country in the world, but obviously I don't think we're perfect. I'd love to see Canada (like Europe) focus more jobs in industries that actually construct, rather than fields like Law and Accounting.
 
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myp

Jan 2009
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Health care is provincial, and our deficits came from a bad economy, investing in GM, and the economic action plan, investing money for infrastructure and making things work. I can guarantee you we will have a surplus in 2011 by investing now. Mind you, our growth rate in Q1 was around 7%.
We are talking about government deficits here, not private sector. The government is losing money on healthcare and not because of a slow economy, but just the net budget for healthcare alone has been taking a loss. With the baby boomer generation getting older, those costs are expected to rise and you can say whatever you want in optimism, but even your own government is cutting back healthcare coverage and some provinces are considering privatizing certain aspects from what I hear.
 
May 2010
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Greece is not Europe. Don't just generalize all of Europe because of one country. That's as fair as calling the US Fascist or calling them something like "radical warheads" because of George W. Bush. None of those comments are fair.

Also, the doctors here do get paid by the government. It's also good pay in comparison to other jobs in other industries and is above average in the global scale. Mind you, our employment insurance doesn't give the citizens enough so that they will no longer have to work, and it doesn't just go to unemployment either (parental leaves are another example). Canada's unemployment rate at the start of 2010 was around 8.1%, which went up from the 5% or so rate in 2007. Working has always been better than employment insurance, but how are you going to get a job with nothing? How are you going to help a homeless person get off of his feet? Do you ever look at yourself and see the advantages you had over them? Have you ever walked into his shoes and showed empathy to someone in need? I was brought up to help someone if their books fall or if their coffee spills. In addition, I was punished or was looked down on when I only thought of my self. I think Canada's a great country, like the United States, like any country in the world, but obviously I don't think we're perfect. I'd love to see Canada (like Europe) focus more jobs in industries that actually construct, rather than fields like Law and Accounting.

I am not quite sure where any of this is based upon in regards to my post? Have you ever been to Southern California and dealt with the health care industry in the United States? Are you a doctor?

Did you not read the statement I made about helping people who are trying to help themselves? Have you ever dealt with the welfare system in the US or seen the majority of the people that use it? I think if you had you would realize none of your statements make sense.

"Greece is not Europe. Don't just generalize all of Europe because of one country." Wow. Just wow. I said EU. I'm not generalizing all of Europe, a lot of countries in the EU are having problems with overspending on their social programs for their citizens.
 
Apr 2009
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Disunited Queendom
I don't think Obama's such a bad president. He's just a big sissy, really. I appreciate he's a centrist, and that's very nice, but it's time for the adults to actually discuss how to overhaul the system, and change things for the better.

Damn, have i already used that line? I don't remember.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
I don't think Obama's such a bad president. He's just a big sissy, really. I appreciate he's a centrist, and that's very nice, but it's time for the adults to actually discuss how to overhaul the system, and change things for the better.

Damn, have i already used that line? I don't remember.

Ya, in fact I was a bit confused for a moment. Thought I was in the wrong thread. :giggle:
 
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