Worst presidents of all time

Apr 2010
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I almost, agree! But....George Bush, I am going to have to replace him with Bill Clinton.
Clinton was one of the sleaziest presidents I ever remember. I know the Kennedy's messed around, but the way Clinton handled the situation was awful. He lied and was caught red handed, so to speak.:eek:

If not being able to keep one's willy in one's own pants gets you on the worst presidents ever list, then about half the presidents would probably be on the black list.

Also, didn't Nixon beat up on his wife? So a wife beater doesn't make most people's list? Hmmmm, that's interesting. :eek:
 
Jun 2010
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Long Island and Florida
el Canadiano, if Canada's Government Health System is so great why do your politicians travel to the United States for life saving treatment?

Belinda Stronach Liberal MP went to U.S. for treatment of breast cancer.
Robert Bourassa, Premier of Quebec went to U.S. for cancer treatment.
Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier went to U.S. for heart surgery.
 
May 2010
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If not being able to keep one's willy in one's own pants gets you on the worst presidents ever list, then about half the presidents would probably be on the black list.

Also, didn't Nixon beat up on his wife? So a wife beater doesn't make most people's list? Hmmmm, that's interesting. :eek:

I have never heard of this happening. Would you please provide some information regarding this other than speculation? I'm just curious.

el Canadiano, if Canada's Government Health System is so great why do your politicians travel to the United States for life saving treatment?

Belinda Stronach Liberal MP went to U.S. for treatment of breast cancer.
Robert Bourassa, Premier of Quebec went to U.S. for cancer treatment.
Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier went to U.S. for heart surgery.


I am still awaiting a reply to my response as well.
 
Jul 2009
5,893
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Port St. Lucie
el Canadiano, if Canada's Government Health System is so great why do your politicians travel to the United States for life saving treatment?

Belinda Stronach Liberal MP went to U.S. for treatment of breast cancer.
Robert Bourassa, Premier of Quebec went to U.S. for cancer treatment.
Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier went to U.S. for heart surgery.


Why do Americans and Europeans go to Cuba for healthcare? ;)

No offense but that's a vary old and vary disproved argument.
 
Jun 2010
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Long Island and Florida
Why do Americans and Europeans go to Cuba for healthcare? ;)

No offense but that's a vary old and vary disproved argument.

Please name the American government officials who have gone to Cuba for health care. You really have to stop watching Michael Moore movies. Bourassa, Williams and Stronach are very real people not figments of my imagination.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Please name the American government officials who have gone to Cuba for health care. You really have to stop watching Michael Moore movies. Bourassa, Williams and Stronach are very real people not figments of my imagination.

But you see, I never said anything about politicians. ;) Also, the average life expectancy of a Cuban is just 2 years lower then an America and all healthcare is free. My point being a handful of politicians going to their preferred doctors who just happen to be Americans and claiming that disproves socialized healthcare while ignoring that Americans and Europeans flood the hospitals of a poor 2nd World nation for it's better health care is a flawed argument.
 
Dec 2009
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Canada
el Canadiano, if Canada's Government Health System is so great why do your politicians travel to the United States for life saving treatment?

Belinda Stronach Liberal MP went to U.S. for treatment of breast cancer.
Robert Bourassa, Premier of Quebec went to U.S. for cancer treatment.
Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier went to U.S. for heart surgery.


Then if our healthcare is so horrible, then why is the life expectancy of a Canadian higher than an American?

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

None of these are from a Canadian source. Even then, it's guys like Australia, Japan, and Sweden ahead of us. And they spend more money on healthcare than us. In addition, their diets are better than ours, which are better than the United States. Also, all three of your examples were stuff which were not covered in any provincial healthcare anyways.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Then if our healthcare is so horrible, then why is the life expectancy of a Canadian higher than an American?

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

None of these are from a Canadian source. Even then, it's guys like Australia, Japan, and Sweden ahead of us. And they spend more money on healthcare than us. In addition, their diets are better than ours, which are better than the United States. Also, all three of your examples were stuff which were not covered in any provincial healthcare anyways.

And lets remember that while the US spends the most on healthcare of any other nation and has some of the most advanced medical facilities in the world, you'd have to go to some African shithole to find a country with worse healthcare.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Then if our healthcare is so horrible, then why is the life expectancy of a Canadian higher than an American?

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

None of these are from a Canadian source. Even then, it's guys like Australia, Japan, and Sweden ahead of us. And they spend more money on healthcare than us. In addition, their diets are better than ours, which are better than the United States. Also, all three of your examples were stuff which were not covered in any provincial healthcare anyways.
That isn't a good measure of a healthcare system though because there are so many other factors that would play into lifespan including things like disasters that cause premature death, pollution, lifestyle (eating unhealthy, etc.), etc.

At the end of the day, if you are judging quality, there is no doubt that America would be at or very near the top. The question was in distributing that property to make it more widespread. The Obama administration decided to push (and successfully passed) a system that seeks to distribute healthcare while reducing quality, which does happen in socialized systems such as those in Europe and Canada (not to mention the tremendous financial burdens they produce.) Personally, I am for expanding that quality through the private sector and increased competition, which would increase choices and reduce costs.
 
Dec 2009
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Canada
Well not really. We're able to pay it. Mind you, Canada had surpluses from 1993-2008. The only reason we have not had surpluses is just because the Canadian government invested the 4% in GM (along with another 4% by Ontario's government) and then Canada's Economic Action Plan, where the government invests directly into infrastructure and such (ie. building/renovating libraries, helping private sector, etc.), in addition to a few other things like small business tax cuts here and there. To be honest, it's paying off. Canada's growth rate was 7% in the first quarter of the year and I'm confident we can get a surplus in 2011 without the need to cut quite as much. Really, you have to accept that there are different government systems in this world. In football analogy, you can't expect to force every team to incorporate a smash-mouth offense when there are other systems like the Air Coryell and the West Coast (Bill Walsh) Offense.

Though you are right, you shouldn't blame that all on healthcare. You should however really limit what you can put into foods, because simply put, the standards of food quality are far too low. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as "I'd rather eat healthy over junk." It should be, but it's not. I realize that not everyone can even afford good-quality foods like I can, and I don't take that privilege for granted. It's just a shame that stuff like corn is subsidized, because it's subsidies like that which make junk food cheaper as a whole. It's quite amazing that if more and more Americans (and even Canadians, Europeans, etc.) eat more nutritional stuff, the need for medication and even healthcare overall can decrease.
 
May 2010
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That isn't a good measure of a healthcare system though because there are so many other factors that would play into lifespan including things like disasters that cause premature death, pollution, lifestyle (eating unhealthy, etc.), etc.

At the end of the day, if you are judging quality, there is no doubt that America would be at or very near the top. The question was in distributing that property to make it more widespread. The Obama administration decided to push (and successfully passed) a system that seeks to distribute healthcare while reducing quality, which does happen in socialized systems such as those in Europe and Canada (not to mention the tremendous financial burdens they produce.) Personally, I am for expanding that quality through the private sector and increased competition, which would increase choices and reduce costs.

This.

I would be interested to see the comparison in standards of living between Canada and America. You're also comparing life expectancy of one country to another based on health care? That's a little bit much if you ask me as a supporting fact in your statements. Obamacare like myp said, distributes health care at a higher cost to tax payers and results in lower quality care.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Well not really. We're able to pay it. Mind you, Canada had surpluses from 1993-2008. The only reason we have not had surpluses is just because the Canadian government invested the 4% in GM (along with another 4% by Ontario's government) and then Canada's Economic Action Plan, where the government invests directly into infrastructure and such (ie. building/renovating libraries, helping private sector, etc.), in addition to a few other things like small business tax cuts here and there. To be honest, it's paying off. Canada's growth rate was 7% in the first quarter of the year and I'm confident we can get a surplus in 2011 without the need to cut quite as much. Really, you have to accept that there are different government systems in this world. In football analogy, you can't expect to force every team to incorporate a smash-mouth offense when there are other systems like the Air Coryell and the West Coast (Bill Walsh) Offense.
Actually, you can't pay for it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health

I haven't looked at the Canadian budget closely, but if you really have been investing in companies, then what do you expect to do when those stocks go down? The market goes up and down and you will lose money at times. Doing that, you they could potentially blow a lot of money and considering that you even admitted that the only reason you had a surplus in the first place was because of those investments, you'd really be in trouble since you'd have to pay your healthcare debts as well as your stock investment debts. Personally, I'd rather not have the government invest my money in companies- if I wanted to invest my money, I would do so myself ;)

Though you are right, you shouldn't blame that all on healthcare. You should however really limit what you can put into foods, because simply put, the standards of food quality are far too low. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as "I'd rather eat healthy over junk." It should be, but it's not. I realize that not everyone can even afford good-quality foods like I can, and I don't take that privilege for granted. It's just a shame that stuff like corn is subsidized, because it's subsidies like that which make junk food cheaper as a whole. It's quite amazing that if more and more Americans (and even Canadians, Europeans, etc.) eat more nutritional stuff, the need for medication and even healthcare overall can decrease.
Limit what we can put into foods more than we already do? Sorry, I don't believe the government should act as the people's parents as if the government knows everything or something. I'd rather let grown adults make their own decisions. I do agree that on the corn subsidies though- they only drive up the cost of other crops.
 
Jun 2010
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Detroit, MI
el Canadiano, if Canada's Government Health System is so great why do your politicians travel to the United States for life saving treatment?

Belinda Stronach Liberal MP went to U.S. for treatment of breast cancer.
Robert Bourassa, Premier of Quebec went to U.S. for cancer treatment.
Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier went to U.S. for heart surgery.

Their doctors may not be like ours, but their health insurance system is clearly more advanced and far more progressed than ours.
 
Jun 2010
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To answer the original question, here is my list.

Worst U.S. Presidents
1. Ronald Reagan is the worst president we've ever had. First of all, he was a criminal (Iran-Contra), but nobody cared because he supported the wealthiest one percent of Americans. He preached budget cuts, but he grossly overspent on "defense." He is revered today only because he took credit for the work of Volcker (the DEMOCRATIC chairman of the Federal Reserve at that time who shrunk the money supply) and a cyclical economic recovery. His unregulated capitalism has caused virtually all of the problems we experience today.
2. George W. Bush is the second worst president of all time. No further explanation is necessary.
3. The Gilded Age presidents (Garfield through Cleveland) are all terrible. They were a bunch of do-nothing conservatives. Don't even tell me that Cleveland was a liberal; despite his party affiliation, he was one of the most conservative presidents.
4. James Buchanan was a terrible president. He sat there and did absolutely nothing while the nation continued to divide.
5. All the presidents of the 1920s were terrible. Their unregulated capitalism caused the Great Depression.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
5. All the presidents of the 1920s were terrible. Their unregulated capitalism caused the Great Depression.

Go Hoover! :giggle: Seriously, how he thought letting people starve, not creating jobs, not providing an education and telling everyone to "just suck it up" was going to solve the problem is beyond me.
 
Dec 2009
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Canada
Haha. It is true though. The crash here was because North Americans were allowed to borrow too much and if US goes down, then goes Canada, then the rest of the world. A lot of them are realizing that they have to rely on each other rather than just a superpower. Hence I don't think China will be considered a superpower like the United States or the Soviet Union once was (or even a bit further back, the British Empire). The international community also agreed that the G20, not the G8, was the future for the international economy.

Even then, the idea of leverage was the same reason why the stock market crashed in 1929. I believe the private sector is the way to go, but I believe in corporate responsibility, and you need some regulations to keep their responsibility, because in this age, I honestly don't fully trust anyone. I won't let someone just simply "go nuts." Does this work? Look at the banks Jim Cramer likes (ie. our banks). I believe in a free economy, but not 100% free.
 
Jun 2010
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If not being able to keep one's willy in one's own pants gets you on the worst presidents ever list, then about half the presidents would probably be on the black list.

Also, didn't Nixon beat up on his wife? So a wife beater doesn't make most people's list? Hmmmm, that's interesting. :eek:
LOL, but being the President and all, you should be able to NOT get caught. If you get caught with your Willy out, God only know what else you can'y keep in. Ya know what I mean. Your suppose to keep thing in with out "leaks" :giggle:
And I didn't know Nixon was a wife beater so Yeeeees, he deserves to be on that list. We need to make it the 6 worst presidents ever..:D
 
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