Yes, and what I'm trying to say that this is an accepted fact by community and they builded an economic system on this fact too. So that our personel responses to such a question is not very significative.
İf you are not the woman that Dostoyevski mentions in his books who acts as a noble even in poverty, you would steal.
How community accept the poverty of its people is more arguable question, we don't need to be communist to ask such questions I think.
Never worked then.? Lucky old you. Whatever you do is worth not what you are paid for it but what the employer gets - out of which he gives you a proportion, stealing the rest. The theft is the only work he does, but he spends some of your money on brainwashing you.
I do not see corporate profit as akin to stealing. I do not see myself as brainwashed by my employer. And, I do not see making a profit as the only work a corporation does.
Making stuff, and selling it seems pretty standard human practice.
Okay, I can agree with you here. At least I have the good fortune to work for an employee-owned corp that gives us employees a slice of the profits every 3 months.
I get your point Iolo, but aren't you discounting the value of raw materials, initial infrastructure investment, operating expenses, and all the other responsibilities that go along with business ownership? And aren't business owners "entitled" to profit from that investment?
For several years Ireland has been experimenting with "co-op" corporations (similar to "employee owned" here in the states, with a few caveats). What's new about it is that employees not only own "shares", but they have equal voting power on salaries and other corporate decisions. I think this is sort of a "middle ground" approach to what you're suggesting?
This sounds like an excellent option...could even be adapted to the "Walmarts" of the world if they became a private union.
I really haven't kept up on how the experiment is going. I'll have to do that~ But I think it's an excellent way to motivate employees and promote a real commitment to success.
But I'm not holding my breath that the "Walmarts" of the world are gonna embrace it anytime soon! Maybe if it catches on, new companies might overtake and replace them. That would be amazing to watch!
Thieving from brainwashed mugs and getting them not to see is very standard human practice
Who digs the raw materials, whose money pays for the infrastructure and all the rest? Are burglars 'entitled' to what they get by their hard work? I could live very happily with a co-operative approach though, like John Lewis stores over here.
I was going to leave this alone, but....I....can't!....:devil:
Who digs the raw materials? The employees of the raw material suppliers, and they receive their "portion" of the value via paycheck. You are correct that their labor is represented in the value of the product, but you don't believe that receiving their paycheck represents that value.
All that said, now the company goes bankrupt....By your definition, the employees would also be responsible for any debts the company owed....yes?
Burglars? entitled?? Of course they are! They're "self-employed"
I was going to leave this alone, but....I....can't!....:devil:
Who digs the raw materials? The employees of the raw material suppliers, and they receive their "portion" of the value via paycheck. You are correct that their labor is represented in the value of the product, but you don't believe that receiving their paycheck represents that value.
All that said, now the company goes bankrupt....By your definition, the employees would also be responsible for any debts the company owed....yes?
Burglars? entitled?? Of course they are! They're "self-employed"
.....Dayum.....
Can't wait to see the reply
I was going to leave this alone, but....I....can't!....:devil:
Who digs the raw materials? The employees of the raw material suppliers, and they receive their "portion" of the value via paycheck. You are correct that their labor is represented in the value of the product, but you don't believe that receiving their paycheck represents that value.
All that said, now the company goes bankrupt....By your definition, the employees would also be responsible for any debts the company owed....yes?
Burglars? entitled?? Of course they are! They're "self-employed"
Obviously the value of a commodity is the price it fetches, which belongs to those who do the work. Employers steal part of it. I do not believe in capitalist companies. We will take over and make democratic decisions abnout what is needed. Nobody needs thieves, however much they brainwash mugs.
Okay...a question:
How will you sustain your new found society without a base of capital?
What's the problem? From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her need. By democratic decision. Two or three hours a day should be enough.
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