Abraham Lincoln: The Best American President

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I still can't get why Lincoln is regarded as one of the greatest Presidents. To me he had to appearance of being obstinate, narrow-minded, dictatorial. The kind of President I really liked was Teddie Roosevelt around the turn of the century. He truly loved his job, had charisma of the motivating kind, and was just about as fearless as they come. :eek:
Mark Twain met Teddy twice and judged he was "clearly insane":D
 
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When was Ike a private? He was a graduate of West Point in 1915. He spent most of his time as President on the golf course and he sucked at that too!

I stand corrected. Seems the pictures of him in a bare bones uniform may have been taken while in training.:eek:

But he is still my favorite president. Guess it was because he was not always messing with us when he was president. I hate it when they try to "fix" everything. I know they are all arrogant or they would not run. But some just look down their nose as if I am so damn smart I can do anything better than anyone.:mad: But I will not mention any names. Don't want to be branded a "partisan'.:D
 
Apr 2009
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I can't vouch for Abe, but i do know that George Washington cheated in regards to his expenses.
 
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I can't vouch for Abe, but i do know that George Washington cheated in regards to his expenses.

You must be much older than I thought my friend!
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Apr 2009
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You must be much older than I thought my friend!

*laughs* Not first-hand, mind.

While he fought for freedom during the American Revolution, he was also flawed.

During the first four years of the Revolution, he lost every single major battle. Oops.

I draw attention to the Philadelphia Aurora - an anti-federalist newspaper (i'd usually note, beware of bias, but it wasn't a journalist that wrote this). In 1795, the Clerk of Congress wrote under the pseudonym "A Calm Observer" and gave a breakdown of funds embezzled from the treasury on top of the constitutionally-allowed sum of $25'000.

In the first year, he drew exactly 25K - honest enough. Let's go further, though. If you can stomach it.

Year 2: $30'150 - Oops.

Year 3: Maybe he felt a bit guilty because he took a bit less than allowed in the third year - only $24'000.

Year 4: Seems he made up for the previous year here - he took $26'000.

At the beginning of the second term, Congress passed an act, paying the president quarterly. ($6'250 every three months).

But during the first quarter, Washington took $11'000 from the treasury.

The Clerk lost access to the paperwork beyond this point but he does make one notable statement in conclusion of the article he wrote:

A Calm Observer said:
If the precedent which this donation from the treasury furnishes, were to be allowed in favour of other public officers, how many hundred thousand dollars per annum would thus be lawlessly taken from the public treasury and saddled upon the people?

Just so you don't think, for whatever reason, that my political position has anything to do with this, or that, for some obscene and unexcusable reason, you think i may be lying about this, i'll leave my source as well:

Shaking the Foundations: 200 Years of Investigative Journalism in America - by Bruce Shapiro. (Thunder's Mouth Press and Nation Books, 2003).
 
Mar 2009
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*laughs* Not first-hand, mind.

While he fought for freedom during the American Revolution, he was also flawed.

During the first four years of the Revolution, he lost every single major battle. Oops.

I draw attention to the Philadelphia Aurora - an anti-federalist newspaper (i'd usually note, beware of bias, but it wasn't a journalist that wrote this). In 1795, the Clerk of Congress wrote under the pseudonym "A Calm Observer" and gave a breakdown of funds embezzled from the treasury on top of the constitutionally-allowed sum of $25'000.

In the first year, he drew exactly 25K - honest enough. Let's go further, though. If you can stomach it.

Year 2: $30'150 - Oops.

Year 3: Maybe he felt a bit guilty because he took a bit less than allowed in the third year - only $24'000.

Year 4: Seems he made up for the previous year here - he took $26'000.

At the beginning of the second term, Congress passed an act, paying the president quarterly. ($6'250 every three months).

But during the first quarter, Washington took $11'000 from the treasury.

The Clerk lost access to the paperwork beyond this point but he does make one notable statement in conclusion of the article he wrote:



Just so you don't think, for whatever reason, that my political position has anything to do with this, or that, for some obscene and unexcusable reason, you think i may be lying about this, i'll leave my source as well:

Shaking the Foundations: 200 Years of Investigative Journalism in America - by Bruce Shapiro. (Thunder's Mouth Press and Nation Books, 2003).

I am not one to accuse someone of "lying" unless they are "lying" on me.:D
 
Apr 2009
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I am not one to accuse someone of "lying" unless they are "lying" on me.:D

Indeed, It's usually easy to tell. Even if your optical senses fail you, it's possible to feel the odd pressure on your body. :p
 
Jan 2009
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I can't vouch for Abe, but i do know that George Washington cheated in regards to his expenses.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/special/20070302_Editorial___Presidents_House.html Washington Also violated the Gradual Abolition Act as amendent. While in the presdent's house in Philadelphia he was rotating his slaves between Phila. and Mt. Vernon. The act allowed slaves that were residents of Pa. for six months, they could apply for their freedom and the amendment prohibited the rotation of the slaves.
 
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Apr 2009
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Tricky Dick was a thinly disguised fascist.

EDIT: That having been said, i doubt he was realistically aware of what his gestapo, ah, i mean, police, were doing in Oakland.
 
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Tricky Dick was a thinly disguised fascist.

EDIT: That having been said, i doubt he was realistically aware of what his gestapo, ah, i mean, police, were doing in Oakland.


I would gladly trade the one we have just as he is now for " Tricky Dick" back just as he is now. I would have more hope for the nation.:(
 
Apr 2009
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They don't really care what I want anymore than I care what they want. We now have a president that can't be criticized for any reason without being called racist.

So it's alright for black people to be oppressed, and for America to be segregated once again, so long as you get what you want?

Look here, i constantly criticise dear Barack, and i have never been accused of being a racist.

However, when we go back to the Nixon era, i can draw a very similar instance as you feel you are going through in America today. If anyone criticised the Government or the president, or criticised the system, back then, they were accused of being communists. The "Red Scare", and "Reds Under The Bed" and all that. It seems to me that anti-communism was as much a threat to individualism and liberty as was stalinism.

I do hate how people always look back and say "it was so much better then". Nostalgia cuts both ways. While you're looking favourably on the past, you forget some of the more unfavourable parts.
 
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So it's alright for black people to be oppressed, and for America to be segregated once again, so long as you get what you want?

Look here, i constantly criticise dear Barack, and i have never been accused of being a racist.

However, when we go back to the Nixon era, i can draw a very similar instance as you feel you are going through in America today. If anyone criticised the Government or the president, or criticised the system, back then, they were accused of being communists. The "Red Scare", and "Reds Under The Bed" and all that. It seems to me that anti-communism was as much a threat to individualism and liberty as was stalinism.

I do hate how people always look back and say "it was so much better then". Nostalgia cuts both ways. While you're looking favourably on the past, you forget some of the more unfavourable parts.

I remember growing up with Nikita Khrushchev's ugly mug threatening us on the news every night. And school children were told to get under their desk and cover their eyes in case of a nuclear blast. Very helpful. :confused:

I do know when my life was better than it is now. I don't have to read it, I lived it. I was was accused of racism on this very board for my opinion of out great leader. A "friend" of mine climbed down my neck last week because I said something about Obamma at Walmart.

And I can tell you black people are not the only oppressed people in this country. Most blacks around here are living far better than me and my wife. So that dog will not hunt with me.

As for me getting what I want, I will never have what I want on this earth again. My best day will be when they plant my ol butt under the shade of a big tree.l So I truly hope Obamma is the last president of my lifetime.
 
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I remember growing up with Nikita Khrushchev's ugly mug threatening us on the news every night. And school children were told to get under their desk and cover their eyes in case of a nuclear blast. Very helpful. :confused:

I do know when my life was better than it is now. I don't have to read it, I lived it. I was was accused of racism on this very board for my opinion of out great leader. A "friend" of mine climbed down my neck last week because I said something about Obamma at Walmart.

And I can tell you black people are not the only oppressed people in this country. Most blacks around here are living far better than me and my wife. So that dog will not hunt with me.

As for me getting what I want, I will never have what I want on this earth again. My best day will be when they plant my ol butt under the shade of a big tree.l So I truly hope Obamma is the last president of my lifetime.

You're a sad, sad little man. :( Don't like him? Vote for someone else next election.
 
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