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a777pilot · Oct 30, 2012

Cerise said:
but why do you need one? Does it make you feel safer and if so from whom? Does it make you more dominant and if so of whom?

First, some of my first and best memories were of hunting growing up in Nebraska and Iowa. I never hunted after returning from VN but I still love to shoot from time to time. I have blown away a snake or two while out fishing. I've been shot at a number of time here in the States. It's amazing that when I return fire, the shooting at me stops. I live in the semi-country of Texas. I, my wife and the neighbors like the idea that I am a former Marine and am armed.

Oh, yes, to answer your question of who am I afraid? No one. I would like to keep it that way.

clax · Oct 30, 2012

Cerise said:
but why do you need one? Does it make you feel safer and if so from whom? Does it make you more dominant and if so of whom?

I carry concealed firearm when not in uniform, because I do feel safer, let me explain.

One night Evan and I were on the freeway, a wreak occurred and the freeway was shut down. I managed to exit but not without cutting off a guy. I didn't mean to make him angry but he was furious. I drive to another street and there he was following me, wasn't much concern until we got on the adjacent freeway. He started charging the car like he was going to intentionally run us off the road. I stopped, he continued. I saw his break lights come on. I decided to get up some speed and get away at the next exit. He pursued me. And charged my vehicle. All I could do was stop and point my side arm at him. To make him stop. He could have killed us, if I didn't point my gun at him how long would this have continued? Evan was terrified, I am glad I did not have to open fire. Luckily that nutjob wasn't as nuts as I thought.

clax · Oct 30, 2012

tecoyah said:
It seems civilians need an AR15 to make it easier to kill 15 deer at once.

AR 15 is just like any other rifle, you pull the trigger one bullet comes out then you pull the trigger again. AR 15 is kind of weak for deer hunting. I use a 30.06, but I don't hunt.

The only way you could kill 15 deer at once is with a grande.

Nobody needs an AR 15 people do want them however, and in a free nation you should be allowed.

I had one, I shot it at the gun range, it was fun but I eventually sold it.

clax · Oct 30, 2012

a777pilot said:
First, some of my first and best memories were of hunting growing up in Nebraska and Iowa. I never hunted after returning from VN but I still love to shoot from time to time. I have blown away a snake or two while out fishing. I've been shot at a number of time here in the States. It's amazing that when I return fire, the shooting at me stops. I live in the semi-country of Texas. I, my wife and the neighbors like the idea that I am a former Marine and am armed.

Oh, yes, to answer your question of who am I afraid? No one. I would like to keep it that way.

I have been shot at two, but it was at work, and I carried a 12 gauge. A car drive by and started during on my colleagues and I and I pumped two shots in both tires, we apprehend them. They had two Mac 10's in the car with them.

They did not resist the least when the shotgun fired. They tried to run but the tires were gone.

David · Oct 30, 2012

Cerise said:
Why do civilians NEED guns?

To overthrow the gov't. I'm not saying that as some crazy subversive, that was actually the logic behind it when it was implemented. The War of American Independence and the British gov't's attempts as curtailing weapons prior to war being fresh in everyone's minds, they wanted to avoid a repeat if the Revolution ever failed and needed to be restored (Revolution meaning the Liberal Revolution sweeping North America and Europe at the time, not the war itself which had been over for years).

Cerise · Oct 31, 2012

Reading the above posts then, it seems that you need weapons because other people have them and will threaten to or actually use them against you so it will never end and daily violence with risk of being shot at is a fact of life. That seems a violent culture to me.
The mention of shooting deer...is that for 'sport' and trophy or for food?

clax · Oct 31, 2012

Cerise said:
Reading the above posts then, it seems that you need weapons because other people have them and will threaten to or actually use them against you so it will never end and daily violence with risk of being shot at is a fact of life. That seems a violent culture to me.
The mention of shooting deer...is that for 'sport' and trophy or for food?

I enjoy the stalk and the hunt, I don't enjoy killing the deer, so I shoot them with a camera.

We do have a violent culture. It really is a counterculture.

tecoyah · Oct 31, 2012

Honestly, it is a bit embarrassing. The United States tries to project an image of civilized culture, but the population has an element of the opposite. Violent with a throwback to the cowboy mentality we grew up with.

Still, we are who we are for now...the society is evolving constantly.

David · Oct 31, 2012

Cerise said:
Reading the above posts then, it seems that you need weapons because other people have them and will threaten to or actually use them against you so it will never end and daily violence with risk of being shot at is a fact of life. That seems a violent culture to me.
The mention of shooting deer...is that for 'sport' and trophy or for food?

America has a weird view of loyalty having been born in resolution, violent rebellion is patriotic and compliance with the gov't is considered treasonous. We also have a vary Roman view of the world, it's all fun in games especially when someone loses an eye and who cares about the barbarians we kill so long as we conquer. This mindset isn't conducive to peaceful society.

America is the only place in the world were it's easier to find a gun then Somalia. :giggle:

Cerise · Oct 31, 2012

David said:
America has a weird view of loyalty having been born in resolution, violent rebellion is patriotic and compliance with the gov't is considered treasonous. We also have a vary Roman view of the world, it's all fun in games especially when someone loses an eye and who cares about the barbarians we kill so long as we conquer. This mindset isn't conducive to peaceful society.

America is the only place in the world were it's easier to find a gun then Somalia. :giggle:

I think we'll keep our holiday visiting plans on hold for now

a777pilot · Oct 31, 2012

Question: If the USA is such a bad place why do so many risk their very lives to get here?

Question: If the USA is such a violent and evil place why does the USA give more aid to the rest of the world than the rest of the world?

Question: Why should I as a citizen of the USA and a retired US Marine care what anyone in the world might think of the USA? Answer: I don't.

a777pilot · Oct 31, 2012

Cerise said:
I think we'll keep our holiday visiting plans on hold for now

Has a good idea.

clax · Oct 31, 2012

a777pilot said:
Question: If the USA is such a bad place why do so many risk their very lives to get here?

Question: If the USA is such a violent and evil place why does the USA give more aid to the rest of the world than the rest of the world?

Question: Why should I as a citizen of the USA and a retired US Marine care what anyone in the world might think of the USA? Answer: I don't.

The USA is generally a non violent place, but a do have a counterculture that is violent. A subculture. Generally they are citizens, normally generations if being here. I see it ohm my work. It can be frightening. But most people confirm

Cerise · Oct 31, 2012

a777pilot said:
Question: If the USA is such a bad place why do so many risk their very lives to get here?

Question: If the USA is such a violent and evil place why does the USA give more aid to the rest of the world than the rest of the world?

Question: Why should I as a citizen of the USA and a retired US Marine care what anyone in the world might think of the USA? Answer: I don't.

Anwser 1 Probably for the same reason that immigrants smuggle themselves into my country.ie its better than where they originate.

Answer 2 Probably because its larger than most other countries and also more wealthy? I might ask why UK gives so much including to countries who do not want it!

Answer 3 Well, its all to do with being proud of your heritage. As for the marine bit, with respect, that means nothing to me.

a777pilot · Oct 31, 2012

Cerise said:
As for the marine bit, with respect, that means nothing to me.

Thank you for the complement.

Cerise · Oct 31, 2012

a777pilot said:
Thank you for the complement.

As yours to me

tecoyah · Oct 31, 2012

While I absolutely feel a debt and due respect to all those who serve my country...this does not prevent my dislike of unattractive attitude.

The John Wayne/Clint Eastwood bit does not make a man. The service and relative humble nature of most vets....certainly does.

Thank You....for your service to the country I love, in my name...but you seem a rather unpleasant person.

Dirk · Nov 6, 2012

Rjohnson said:
Obama said something during his second debate that offended me. He said that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. That comment suggested that every mentally ill person is capable of violence and that isn't true.

I'm mentally ill and I'm not violent. I've never committed a crime. I've never even gotten a jay walking ticket. My mom is also mentally ill and she's not violent either. She's one of the sweetest people alive. The majority of the mentally ill are harmless.

Yes, it's true that some mentally ill people are violent and those who show any signs of violent behavior shouldn't be allowed to own guns. But Obama didn't say that guns should be kept out of the hands of certain mentally ill people. He said that they should be kept out of the hands of all mentally ill people.

Obama obviously thinks that mentally ill people are dangerous and that's prejudice. Let me give you an example. Some women kill people with guns. Would it be fair if I said that because some women are violent that guns should be kept out of the hands of all women? Of course it wouldn't be fair. That would be prejudice. And saying that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill is just as prejudice.

Obama was trying to gain more votes with his second debate but he lost one. And if he offended other mentally ill people, he may lose more.

Is not every individual capable of violence? Mental illness notwithstanding. I'd suggest that this was more about the careful choosing of words and a certain measure of ignorance, rather than prejudice.

ThirdTerm · Nov 6, 2012

Rjohnson said:
Obama obviously thinks that mentally ill people are dangerous and that's prejudice. Let me give you an example. Some women kill people with guns. Would it be fair if I said that because some women are violent that guns should be kept out of the hands of all women? Of course it wouldn't be fair. That would be prejudice. And saying that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill is just as prejudice.

It's a typical response to this question on gun control and Obama meant no offence to the specific group of people. The Colorado shooter got seriously ill mentally when he was struggling to cope with a graduate course that he could not handle and he committed mass murder after dropping out of the college and there is a certain type of mental disorder that is particularly dangerous when it develops unexpectedly among normal people.

clax · Nov 9, 2012

ThirdTerm said:
It's a typical response to this question on gun control and Obama meant no offence to the specific group of people. The Colorado shooter got seriously ill mentally when he was struggling to cope with a graduate course that he could not handle and he committed mass murder after dropping out of the college and there is a certain type of mental disorder that is particularly dangerous when it develops unexpectedly among normal people.

The argument that he had sudden onset of mental illness due to stress is not an argument for gun control. He could have had the same mental break in a car and run over 12 pedestrians or driven through a playground. Surly a car is more lethal than a bullet. Nobody should have a car.

The second amendment exists to allow the people of this nation the ability to defend itself against oppression, not personal protection or hunting. Some isolated indecent of a murderer killing people is no reason to rewrite our constitution. We must be able to raise a Malitia

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