Obama's offensive comment

Feb 2012
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The argument that he had sudden onset of mental illness due to stress is not an argument for gun control. He could have had the same mental break in a car and run over 12 pedestrians or driven through a playground. Surly a car is more lethal than a bullet. Nobody should have a car.

The second amendment exists to allow the people of this nation the ability to defend itself against oppression, not personal protection or hunting. Some isolated indecent of a murderer killing people is no reason to rewrite our constitution. We must be able to raise a Malitia

So if asked why they own a gun, every American so doing would answer that its in case they need to join a militia? Really?
 
Jan 2012
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So if asked why they own a gun, every American so doing would answer that its in case they need to join a militia? Really?

Honestly most would answer "self defense" that is a more practical use for it, but if the citizens had to rise up against an oppressive government it could
 
Nov 2012
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Nope...that makes sense and takes backbone, two attributes sorely missing in our Government.


& yet many in our gov't have guns.
The reason for the 2nd amendment was for personal protection.
WHile I agree that it would be best if a mentally ill person did not have access to a gun, the term "mentally ill" is subject to what one considers mentally ill. Take for instance the woman that drowned her 5 kids in a bathtub, should the mentally ill not have access to water & bathtubs?
 

myp

Jan 2009
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The reason for the 2nd amendment was not personal protection so much as protection from the government should it become necessary.

I don't think banning guns does anything. A person who is willing to murder is willing to buy a gun on the black market. I wonder what the figures are on even current gun crimes in regards to how many of the guns are legitimately owned.
 
Jan 2012
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The reason for the 2nd amendment was not personal protection so much as protection from the government should it become necessary.

I don't think banning guns does anything. A person who is willing to murder is willing to buy a gun on the black market. I wonder what the figures are on even current gun crimes in regards to how many of the guns are legitimately owned.

That is a good question, one that comes up for me is how many times is a gun used to prevent a possible injury? I know it has been the case in my non processional life that I have used a fire arm defensively three times, I have never fired a gun at a person before.
 
Nov 2012
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The reason for the 2nd amendment was not personal protection so much as protection from the government should it become necessary.

I don't think banning guns does anything. A person who is willing to murder is willing to buy a gun on the black market. I wonder what the figures are on even current gun crimes in regards to how many of the guns are legitimately owned.

That's fairly personal to me. "Gov't" has been known to kick doors down only to find it was the wrong address....I have a .38 for my personal protection.
 
Nov 2012
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That's fairly personal to me. "Gov't" has been known to kick doors down only to find it was the wrong address....I have a .38 for my personal protection.

And we all have every right to protect ourselves. no argument there at all. And I would agree that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to self-defense.

My point is, aren't protection from tyranny and unlawful entry just different sub-titles of "self-defense"?
 
Nov 2012
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And we all have every right to protect ourselves. no argument there at all. And I would agree that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to self-defense.

My point is, aren't protection from tyranny and unlawful entry just different sub-titles of "self-defense"?

I think so.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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That's fairly personal to me. "Gov't" has been known to kick doors down only to find it was the wrong address....I have a .38 for my personal protection.

Sorry let me rephrase that. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was so the people could overthrow the government if necessary.
 
Oct 2012
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Until the Supreme court ruled in the Heller v DC case, the 2nd amendment did not mean everyone could have whatever guns they wanted.In my opinion this was the turning point in our society, that literally created the weaponization of the population.


....But, it will come in handy during the Zombie Invasion.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Until the Supreme court ruled in the Heller v DC case, the 2nd amendment did not mean everyone could have whatever guns they wanted.In my opinion this was the turning point in our society, that literally created the weaponization of the population.


....But, it will come in handy during the Zombie Invasion.

Everyone can't have whatever guns they want. And what do you mean by weaponization?
 
Oct 2012
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After the decision, many aspects of ownership became less restrictive.

And, though we are not allowed sniper rifles, we can get them anyway....the rules were allowed to wander, as militia did not matter anymore.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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And, though we are not allowed sniper rifles, we can get them anyway...

? Anything that the market has a supply of can be gotten for a price. Like illegal drugs, you can get illegal firearms practically anywhere in the world too.
 
Oct 2012
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Agreed, the issue to me is legality.

It became acceptable in society to carry firearms, own hardcore weaponry, and buy killing machines at a gun show. To me at least....this was the beginning of this change.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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Agreed, the issue to me is legality.

It became acceptable in society to carry firearms, own hardcore weaponry, and buy killing machines at a gun show. To me at least....this was the beginning of this change.

I think people should be allowed to own firearms. That aside, if they weren't the sickest of the sick who want to murder, etc. would have no problem breaking the gun sale laws if they were willing to murder, etc. Why would they care about the former if they didn't care about the latter?
 
Oct 2012
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I agree, I own a few myself. I just see making it easier for the nutjobs to go postal, as a step in the wrong direction.

Firearms are not the actual problem, as they exist, and are reality. But, when Joe Shmoe from Idaho can get an AR-15 with ID at an unregulated farm event....perhaps we should evaluate what we are allowing.
 
Jan 2012
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I agree, I own a few myself. I just see making it easier for the nutjobs to go postal, as a step in the wrong direction.

Firearms are not the actual problem, as they exist, and are reality. But, when Joe Shmoe from Idaho can get an AR-15 with ID at an unregulated farm event....perhaps we should evaluate what we are allowing.

why are people so scared of "assault" weapons? I have a hunting rifle that can stop a truck. I really don't know what an assault weapon is, a competition pistol can be an assault weapon, a shard of glass can be an assault weapon.

I don't understand what we could do to stop people like Joe shmoe you mentioned from getting weapons. Put a two week waiting period on it, hr probably waited 6 mouths to aquire the money to purchase such a fire arm, two weeks isn't going to help. If Mr shmoe has neverbeen institutionalized, than there us no real way of knowing his mental condition.

Why restrict the rights of the entire nation to place the tiniest inconvenience on the .000001% (i think my estimates are extremely high).

It wasn't the gun, it wasn't the people picking on poor little Joe shmoe it wasn't the circumstances of his life, it was his desire to kill at all costs. I know this sounds odd but there are people in this world that don't value human life, they existed and killed long before guns were even heard of, if you stop them you create utopia.

its almost like you expect us to read minds
 
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