Obama's offensive comment

Oct 2012
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Louisville, Ky
Okay..anloagy time:

Joe likes pancakes..cool
Joe decides to make poison pancakes...and serve them to the public.

Not cool.

Joe decides guns are cool.
Joe decides guns that are made to kill lots of people and have no other purpose are good.

Not cool.
 
Jan 2012
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Texas
Okay..anloagy time:

Joe likes pancakes..cool
Joe decides to make poison pancakes...and serve them to the public.

Not cool.

Joe decides guns are cool.
Joe decides guns that are made to kill lots of people and have no other purpose are good.

Not cool.

So are you saying that somebody who likes guns inevitably becomes a killer?

All guns ever made and ever will be made are designed to kill things.

Why is an assault weapon more deadly, fully automatic weapons are not legal to own, the ar 15 is just like any other SIMI auto 223 in the world, does the rail sights and the plastic stock make it more deadly?
 
Jan 2012
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You keep using words like assult rifle, and sniper rifle. An assult rifle, if you are talking about an m 16 is extremely difficult to obtain, you file paper work with the fed and so on. An ar 15 is just a jazzed up simiauto, the only thing that makes it different us the way it looks. I own a rifle, with a red field scope, it is a sniper rifle, that's all they are. Bolt action 30.06
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
You keep using words like assult rifle, and sniper rifle. An assult rifle, if you are talking about an m 16 is extremely difficult to obtain, you file paper work with the fed and so on. An ar 15 is just a jazzed up simiauto, the only thing that makes it different us the way it looks. I own a rifle, with a red field scope, it is a sniper rifle, that's all they are. Bolt action 30.06

An assault weapon in legal terms boils down to anything that looks scary and is automatic. An automatic, AK-47 look alike paintball gun illegal. A semi-auto AK-47 modified to hold a non-banana clip magazine on the other hand is as legal as that hunting rifle of yours. There is no logic to the law (at least in America), it's based on nothing but fear.
 
Jan 2012
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An assault weapon in legal terms boils down to anything that looks scary and is automatic. An automatic, AK-47 look alike paintball gun illegal. A semi-auto AK-47 modified to hold a non-banana clip magazine on the other hand is as legal as that hunting rifle of yours. There is no logic to the law (at least in America), it's based on nothing but fear.

Honestly, a 22 palm revolver is way scarier than any bazooka, gatling gun or ak 47 when that 22 is pointed in your face.

I agree the continuity is lacking, but it seems to reflect our culture very well. We mostly seem to only care about appearance
 
Nov 2012
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Novi, Michigan
Obama said something during his second debate that offended me. He said that guns should be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. That comment suggested that every mentally ill person is capable of violence and that isn't true.

I think it's a mistake to assume that Obama thinks that all mentally ill people are violent, I read this more as being concerned about people being able to exercise proper judgement. I don't know what mental illness you have but if it effects your ability to quickly assess threat and act responsibly then I agree that you shouldn't be carrying a weapon. Cops practice with their firearms quite a bit and even they make mistakes. You can't recall a bullet once it's been fired.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
I think it's a mistake to assume that Obama thinks that all mentally ill people are violent, I read this more as being concerned about people being able to exercise proper judgement. I don't know what mental illness you have but if it effects your ability to quickly assess threat and act responsibly then I agree that you shouldn't be carrying a weapon. Cops practice with their firearms quite a bit and even they make mistakes. You can't recall a bullet once it's been fired.

Not yet...
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
I don't see it as prejudice and was going to suggest that it could be that mentally challenged people are more likely to use a weapon. That though falls flat on its face because gun crimes are committed by anyone it seems.
The solution is of course to dramatically curb the availability of guns but US isnt likely to do that is it?
Maybe we should insist that every able-bodied adult be weapons trained and carry concealed. We could eliminate the word massacre except for when used in the phrase Obama's Benghazi Massacre.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
That is a good question, one that comes up for me is how many times is a gun used to prevent a possible injury? I know it has been the case in my non processional life that I have used a fire arm defensively three times, I have never fired a gun at a person before.
For me it was one time. The individual told me he was going to get his gun out of his car and shoot me. I got mine first. I held it at my side, waiting until I saw the weapon in his hand. It was my intention to put one round through his head.

He made note of the situation and drove away. It was a smart choice.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Ooh! Scary Rifle!

I agree, I own a few myself. I just see making it easier for the nutjobs to go postal, as a step in the wrong direction.

Firearms are not the actual problem, as they exist, and are reality. But, when Joe Shmoe from Idaho can get an AR-15 with ID at an unregulated farm event....perhaps we should evaluate what we are allowing.
Why?

What objection can you possibly have to Joe owning firearms?

An AR-15 is just a rifle. Each time you apply the appropriate amount of pressure on the trigger one round goes down range.
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
So are you saying that somebody who likes guns inevitably becomes a killer?

All guns ever made and ever will be made are designed to kill things.

Why is an assault weapon more deadly, fully automatic weapons are not legal to own, the ar 15 is just like any other SIMI auto 223 in the world, does the rail sights and the plastic stock make it more deadly?
maybe his point was about pancakes...
 
Dec 2012
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Madison, AL
Why through his head rather than his 'gun' hand /wrist?

That only happens in the movies.

His head was clearly visible. I knew where it was. It was big enough for me to correctly aim at and hit with one round. It would have ended the argument. It would have put him in a position from which he could not harm me.
 
Feb 2012
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England
That only happens in the movies.

His head was clearly visible. I knew where it was. It was big enough for me to correctly aim at and hit with one round. It would have ended the argument. It would have put him in a position from which he could not harm me.

Wouldnt hitting him in his legs or body be better? You might not kill him then.
 
Jan 2012
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Texas
Why through his head rather than his 'gun' hand /wrist?

In the case of kill or be killed, you must kill, otherwise you will be killed. Shooting somebody in the legs increases their fear that they may die, and jacks up their adrenaline, a injured person is far more deadly than an angry person.

I knew an officer who was on foot in a parking lot, he was taken by surprise by a guy wilding a shotgun (the absolutely deadliest weapon at close range) the man turned to point the gun at the officer, the officer fired a shot into the mans lower torso, trying not to kill him, the man who was shot inadvertently fired off his shot in a volleyball direction, he pumped in another shell and the officer shot him three times again in the lower torso, the shotgun man fell, but then began to raids the gun to the officer again and the officer fired the remaining 13 bullets in his pistol into the armed man, he died in transport to the hospital.

John Wayne moves like shooting guns out of hands only works in movies, desperate men will do desperate things, aside form that, it isn't like a cowboy standoff, anytime I have ever been in a situation where a gun was drawn, you don't have time to assume proper stance, hand position, sight picture and aim, you bearly have time to unholster and pull the trigger before you are dead. Precision shooting like that isn't realistic.

My draw technique is to pull my gun and bury the butt in my stomach holding the gun as close to me as possible it is nowhere near being aimed properly, normally in these instances a person is ontop of you by the time your gun is ready.

So shooting wrists and legs is a good way to get yourself killed
 
Jan 2012
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Wouldnt hitting him in his legs or body be better? You might not kill him then.

No, you must have the upper hand, if somebody shot me in the leg and I had a gun in my hand the person who shot me would be shot to death. Same goes in reverse.

Have you ever known anybody who had been shot? the two people I spoke to, one inmate who was shot by police in his lung, didn't even stop, fight or flight kicked in, he said it didn't even start hurting until he was on the ambulance.

No, you never aim for extremities, that will surly get you killed, nothing like the movies.

The human body does strange things in situations of near death, I personally have picked a car up that fell on me, broke two ribs, and my radius and ulna in both arms, pulled every muscle in my upper arm, but I didn't fell it until I went to stand up.
 
Jan 2012
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This is normally how it is in struggles involving shooting, notice he is using one hand to deflect an attack, there is no room to aim the pistol.

only of you are luck do you ever get them "dead to rights". That just isn't realistic
 
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