Illegal to fail students if they believe in certain myths as opposed to facts?

[misterveritis]

The 1st amendment protects free religious practice (minus what has been defined by the courts over the years as not under the 1st amendment). If I make up a religion that rejects everything- perhaps in the shadow of the original Greek Skeptics, then I become unfailable under your system.

Sorry, but I don't care if you choose to brainwash your kids. School is about learning and kids should be taught about the real world. Now when they go home and what their parents tell them there is a whole other story- the parents can (foolishly) just say don't buy that malarkey if they really want to, but the kid needs to still understand what evolution is.

Then you are against schools teaching the man-caused global warming religion in schools?

 

[Polydectes]

We are talking about school here. I said they can believe what they want. What I am saying is if they get evolutionary facts wrong on a test about evolution, they should be penalized for it. You haven't addressed where you draw the line as to where that is acceptable and where it is not. If my religion teaches me 1+1=3, should I automatically pass every math test I get 1+1=2 wrong on?

What religion teaches that?

 

[Polydectes]

And you still seem to be implying evolution is a belief- which is just flatout wrong. We aren't talking about a belief vs. a belief here. We are talking about a disproven belief vs. a fact.

This has nothing to do with beliefs, it has everything to do with anti religious hatred.

No beliefs have been disproven here. Sorry but that is impossible.

 

[Polydectes]

We are talking about school here. I said they can believe what they want. What I am saying is if they get evolutionary facts wrong on a test about evolution, they should be penalized for it. You haven't addressed where you draw the line as to where that is acceptable and where it is not. If my religion teaches me 1+1=3, should I automatically pass every math test I get 1+1=2 wrong on?

A mathematical equation it's not the same as a notion that life just happened one day.

And you still seem to be implying evolution is a belief- which is just flatout wrong. We aren't talking about a belief vs. a belief here. We are talking about a disproven belief vs. a fact.

You think what you believe us superior, and it absolutely is a belief, otherwise you would be able to prove it.

Why it is a belief is that there is no concrete, hard undeniable proof, there is a debate. There is no debate that 1+1=2.

It's only seculars that insist that creation is wrong. Non believers will never convert a believer with disbelief. A Christian, Jew or Muslim will never convince you that Adam and Eve were created by God.

A bunch of clerics in the secular religion demanding that everybody abandon their beliefs and follow theirs, is fascism. It is no better than the way the Catholic church behaved in the 15 century.

sorry, I am a skeptic, the measly little tidbits you provided absolutely do not prove beyond all doubt that the origin of man is some magic soup.

 

[tecoyah]

Education involves data...Data is usually (though not always) based on fact.

Much of history must contain non verified information...and so we call it history.

Science however, must be verified to be science...this is a basic agreement is the field.

Evolution has met this criteria...ID/creation theory cannot, inherently.


There is no reason to even consider a fable in science...as even hypothesis fails the basic test.





Until someone produces anything to create a viable theory (which has never been done), it cannot be studied seriously.

 

[Polydectes]

Education involves data...Data is usually (though not always) based on fact.

Much of history must contain non verified information...and so we call it history.

Science however, must be verified to be science...this is a basic agreement is the field.

Evolution has met this criteria...ID/creation theory cannot, inherently.


There is no reason to even consider a fable in science...as even hypothesis fails the basic test.





Until someone produces anything to create a viable theory (which has never been done), it cannot be studied seriously.

evolution involves a very tiny amount of data, and a massive amount of speculation.

creation isn't a theory, it is a belief. So saying that the theory of evolution has anything to do with the belief in creation is an utter misuse of language.

All this law does is forbid the degradation of religious people.

 

[tecoyah]

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[Iolo]

Then you are against schools teaching the man-caused global warming religion in schools?

Aren't American extremists WEIRD! Science is about questioning, but no-one but nutters denies coherently that capitalism is destroying the world for a quick buck. In what way is an undisproved theory a religion, for God's sake? Some people are off their heads.

 

[Stonewall]

What missing link are you referring to? Look at the genomes- they are quite similar and we already know of and have proof of various, now-extinct species after the divergence- Neanderthals, for example. And theory in science is not the same as theory in colloquial usage- I'm pretty sure we've been over this before. Technically, gravity can still fall under the term theory too as can germ theory, but I highly doubt you will dispute the existence and factual basis of those.

Quite similar....genomes did you say? You can google missing link and after you read it, you'll find you've no explanation either.

 

[Stonewall]

Missing link? We have as much hair as chimps (it's just thinner), we have the bipedalism of H. erectus. Most Europeans or European decent people are about 4% Neanderthal. Really, we're the missing link.

Modern man is the missing link?

Is that what you're trying to argue?

 

[Stonewall]

Education involves data...Data is usually (though not always) based on fact.

Much of history must contain non verified information...and so we call it history.

Science however, must be verified to be science...this is a basic agreement is the field.

Evolution has met this criteria...ID/creation theory cannot, inherently.


There is no reason to even consider a fable in science...as even hypothesis fails the basic test.





Until someone produces anything to create a viable theory (which has never been done), it cannot be studied seriously.

Evolution has much missing data. Why is that?

 

[David]

Modern man is the missing link?

Is that what you're trying to argue?

Considering that we're the anatomic and genetic result of 3 million years of Human interbreeding, yes. Hard to see as we're still around but our successors will have no problem seeing this. This is assuming you're looking for a fully developed animal. If you want to find the point that we started our rise to the top, it's be the moment we moved to a mostly cooked meat diet, so that would be the omnivorous jaw of h. Erectus.

 

[tecoyah]

Evolution has much missing data. Why is that?

Because it is science....all science is inherently incomplete, which is why we keep doing science.

 

[Stonewall]

This is a question that has long puzzled science. What made our ancestors break away from apes and advance so dramatically? There are genetic theories, and many other theories regarding evolution, but the fossil record does not tell the story. The "long puzzle" is that nearly every mammal can be traced by the fossil record, evolution in the animal kingdom is fact and cannot be denied. But another force affected human development. Modern man....as complex as we are, we would have left a more pronounced and obvious fossil record as we 'evolved.'

And yet....there is no fossil record...hence the long unanswered puzzlement that is the missing link.

 

[misterveritis]

Aren't American extremists WEIRD! Science is about questioning, but no-one but nutters denies coherently that capitalism is destroying the world for a quick buck. In what way is an undisproved theory a religion, for God's sake? Some people are off their heads.

So it is okay to teach the man-caused global warming religion in schools but not hold a religious opinion unsanctioned by the UN or the US government?

You reveal yourself as an unrestrained liberal. I know you cannot help yourself. Nations made wealthy by practicing the freedoms inherent in a capitalist free market economy do the very best jobs of cleaning up after themselves. It is your Marxist-socialist workers paradises that are hellish places to live.

 

[David]

This is a question that has long puzzled science. What made our ancestors break away from apes and advance so dramatically? There are genetic theories, and many other theories regarding evolution, but the fossil record does not tell the story. The "long puzzle" is that nearly every mammal can be traced by the fossil record, evolution in the animal kingdom is fact and cannot be denied. But another force affected human development. Modern man....as complex as we are, we would have left a more pronounced and obvious fossil record as we 'evolved.'

And yet....there is no fossil record...hence the long unanswered puzzlement that is the missing link.

Aside from the Hobbits of Indonesia and the Neanderthals of the Mideast and Europe? Plenty of non-h. Sapien Sapien (aka us) humans in the fossil and genetic (thanks to surviving hybrid populations) record.

 

[Polydectes]

So it is okay to teach the man-caused global warming religion in schools but not hold a religious opinion unsanctioned by the UN or the US government?

You reveal yourself as an unrestrained liberal. I know you cannot help yourself. Nations made wealthy by practicing the freedoms inherent in a capitalist free market economy do the very best jobs of cleaning up after themselves. It is your Marxist-socialist workers paradises that are hellish places to live.

everybody knows that the USA us the place to live, some folks just are jealous, instead of coming here like I did.

 

[Polydectes]

This is a question that has long puzzled science. What made our ancestors break away from apes and advance so dramatically? There are genetic theories, and many other theories regarding evolution, but the fossil record does not tell the story. The "long puzzle" is that nearly every mammal can be traced by the fossil record, evolution in the animal kingdom is fact and cannot be denied. But another force affected human development. Modern man....as complex as we are, we would have left a more pronounced and obvious fossil record as we 'evolved.'

And yet....there is no fossil record...hence the long unanswered puzzlement that is the missing link.

Not to mention, the essential stand still in evolution over the past 10,000 years in the incomplete record.

 

[David]

Not to mention, the essential stand still in evolution over the past 10,000 years in the incomplete record.

Stand still? We've gotten taller, our brains have gotten smaller, our jaws have gotten smaller with many populations having evolved away wisdom teeth, our bones have gotten stronger and genetic tests have hinted at the start of specification over the last 100 years.

 

[Polydectes]

Stand still? We've gotten taller, our brains have gotten smaller, our jaws have gotten smaller with many populations having evolved away wisdom teeth, our bones have gotten stronger and genetic tests have hinted at the start of specification over the last 100 years.

That is definitely evolution, not better diet nutrition or medical treatment?

Truth is that has nothing to do with evolution of genetics but evolution of science.