Dems may not have the votes to pass the gun ban

myp · Jan 30, 2013

clax said:
Your silly math argument aside, you are definitely for big central government much more than i.

Okay, but that doesn't make me a big government statist. You hold an outlying position, for one.

misterveritis · Jan 31, 2013

A Lack of Evidence

myp said:
Because you said so? I am actually a limited government guy who values freedom tremendously but not absolutely because absolute freedom is not possible and above all values long-term utilitarian prosperity.

I believe you are convicted by a lack of evidence.
And the last half of your statement takes away the validity of the first half.

You are a closet statist, unwilling to admit the ugly, terrible truth, even to yourself.

misterveritis · Jan 31, 2013

clax said:
Good, I hope she fails, in the mean time we ought to be looking to find ways to keep nut job congressmen from usurping the people.

We need far stronger background checks on would be politicians. If we believe that kooks need representation then there must be a whole lotta kooks out there.

misterveritis · Jan 31, 2013

The opposite of statism is not anarchy

David said:
I've yet to see you advocate anarchy, so don't go calling people statists.

The opposite of statism is not anarchy. It is constitutionally limited government. Statism is the cause of tyranny. Constitutionally-limited government leads to liberty.

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
Okay, but that doesn't make me a big government statist. You hold an outlying position, for one.

So what was this?

myp said:
As per your definition you are 2/3 of the way to being a big government centrist. That is all I was saying. Perhaps your definition was too simple?

If so, that was my point all along... it is a vague term.

I know I am for limited government, I don't have to prove it to you. You can see me as the big government enemy, but I don't really care if you do because I know what I stand for and that is what matters.

Just a joke, here you insinuated I was a big government supporter, being two thirds there as you estimate it, you are all the way there, by your own rhetoric.

So one of the statements you said was dishonest. Can't really make heads or tails, so I will simply go with what evidence supports.

You can say what you wish, my mind is made up.

clax · Jan 31, 2013

misterveritis said:
We need far stronger background checks on would be politicians. If we believe that kooks need representation then there must be a whole lotta kooks out there.

Don't think its kooks, just pacified masses.

myp · Jan 31, 2013

misterveritis said:
I believe you are convicted by a lack of evidence.
And the last half of your statement takes away the validity of the first half.

You are a closet statist, unwilling to admit the ugly, terrible truth, even to yourself.

Lol ok... you can label me as you like. Someone might label you an extremist based on your outlying views in comparison to the American population. But really it doesn't mean anything. I don't care about the labels.

P.s. Unless you are an anarchist, you support the state too- an anarchist would call you a statist

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
Lol ok... you can label me as you like.

As many have, and as you have many others

Someone might label you an extremist based on your outlying views in comparison to the American population...

Wow! Labeling the entire American population? Mercy!

I don't care about the labels.

Your post suggests otherwise.

P.s. Unless you are an anarchist, you support the state too- an anarchist would call you a statist

1) Extremist
2) outlying beliefs
3) anarchist

For some one who doesn't care for labels you sure did chock this post full of them

myp · Jan 31, 2013

clax said:
As many have, and ass you have many others

Wow! Labeling the entire American population? Mercy!

Your post suggests otherwise.

P.s. Unless you are an anarchist, you support the state too- an anarchist would call you a statist

1) Extremist
2) outlying beliefs
3) anarchist

For some one who doesn't care for labels you sure did chock this post full of them

An outlier is a statistical entity= outlying beliefs- those are not labels. An anarchist is someone who doesn't believe in government. I don't care about the labels in that I don't care about what someone labels me- the issues are what matters. He cares about the labels, which is why I am saying as per the undeniably agreeable part of the definition of statist- one that believes in a state- he is one too, which makes his negative connotation of the word ironic.

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
An outlier is a statistical entity= outlying beliefs- those are not labels. An anarchist is someone who doesn't believe in government. I don't care about the labels in that I don't care about what someone labels me- the issues are what matters. He cares about the labels, which is why I am saying as per the undeniably agreeable part of the definition of statist- one that believes in a state- he is one too, which makes his negative connotation of the word ironic.

So, you are labeling the entire nation.

Nobody who has posted here is really an outlier, unless you know for a fact what the political beliefs are of the entire nation.

You and your labels, you can have them though I suppose.

myp · Jan 31, 2013

clax said:
So, you are labeling the entire nation.

Nobody who has posted here is really an outlier, unless you know for a fact what the political beliefs are of the entire nation.

You and your labels, you can have them though I suppose.

No one is labeling an entire nation. As outlier is a statistical term that you can apply to a curve- presumably a normal curve of American beliefs. I don't know about you, but I feel quite confident (and there are surveys, etc. out there that support this) in saying that thinking it is time for revolution is an outlying view.

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
No one is labeling an entire nation. As outlier is a statistical term that you can apply to a curve- presumably a normal curve of American beliefs. I don't know about you, but I feel quite confident (and there are surveys, etc. out there that support this) in saying that thinking it is time for revolution is an outlying view.

Nobody is talking about revolution, just preservation.
So your "outlier" label isn't addressed to anybody here properly.

I am glad you can cling to your beliefs confidently.

myp · Jan 31, 2013

clax said:
Nobody is talking about revolution, just preservation.

He has......

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
He has......

Nothing personal, so please don't get irate.

If he has suggested, for that matter me also because you labeled me an outlier as well, revolution please provide proof.

If you are correct this should be easy.

myp · Jan 31, 2013

clax said:
Nothing personal, so please don't get irate.

If he has suggested, for that matter me also because you labeled me an outlier as well, revolution please provide proof.

If you are correct this should be easy.

You can have outliers for different reasons...

David · Jan 31, 2013

misterveritis said:
The opposite of statism is not anarchy. It is constitutionally limited government. Statism is the cause of tyranny. Constitutionally-limited government leads to liberty.

No, anarchism is the support of anarchy, statistism is the support of a state. Words have definitions and trying to turn a word that defines yourself into a derogatory term is less then intelligent.

clax · Jan 31, 2013

myp said:
You can have outliers for different reasons...

yeah. I asked the reasons, not weather they are different.

tecoyah · Jan 31, 2013

Before this gets any more detrimental to civil debate...I would ask you all to step back and re-read the thread in order to understand the complicated positions portrayed.

The direction this is heading concerns me.

misterveritis · Jan 31, 2013

I am an extremist in the defense of liberty

myp said:
Lol ok... you can label me as you like. Someone might label you an extremist based on your outlying views in comparison to the American population. But really it doesn't mean anything. I don't care about the labels.

P.s. Unless you are an anarchist, you support the state too- an anarchist would call you a statist

I am an extremist in the support of liberty. You nailed me. Perfect.

It is possible you are not aware that the opposite of statism is not anarchy. It is Constitutionally-limited government. The statist finds a way around the Constitution. The statist uses wiggle words. The statist writes as you do.

misterveritis · Jan 31, 2013

David said:
No, anarchism is the support of anarchy, statistism is the support of a state. Words have definitions and trying to turn a word that defines yourself into a derogatory term is less then intelligent.

Anarchy has no place here. The two positions that matter are the right one, the Constitutionally-limited government that leads to liberty versus statism where there are no actual limits. Statism always leads to tyranny. That is its nature.

Words do have definitions. On this point we agree.

Dems may not have the votes to pass the gun ban

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